Originally Posted by
DC8DRIVER
Spot on, Talon.
It is not easy to come on to this forum and debate topics because as soon as one disagrees with the few that have hijacked this forum to further the union talking points they get piled on and labeled all the while not disagreeing with the points per se but rather just tempering the hysteria.
It seems as though mudslinging is a one way affair.
Originally Posted by
dutch747
In other words.....
If you sift through Suddens rant a bit, what he is saying is that the union is engaging in a tried and true political tactic by controlling the narrative and doling out to the masses their narrow message by strictly limiting the media outlets.
Originally Posted by
suddenimpact
Lets see, the Atlas Facebook page GCComms moderates and censors members posts before they are viewable along with booting off anyone identified as FPL bylaw supporter that passed by majority vote or members regularly expressing an opinion contrary to the "Kirchner Youth Program" (P2P) is told to say. Also remember to thank your leadership for using a medium (facebook) that data mines the members information and anyone in their personal contact list on their phones via messenger and etc. I believe that is at approximately 87 million victims and counting now in which our leadership said that it's Facebook fault despite it being told to them before implementing the facebook page that data mining is what facebook does for their "free" service and we are now living with the results of that decision. While no one expected exactly a Cambridge Analytical event, no one should be surprised especially when it was forewarned what was at risk.
The Atlas ExCo stops all membership posts to Atlas 1224 private web forums by removing all the moderators that approved, deleted, censored members postings. Like on facebook, all posts had to be approved first before being made viewable. At least we could fight among ourselves in our private forum without much worry about our information being mined. The Atlas ExCo and Comms guys said it was Local 1224 initiative to kill the forums but the President of the local says that they were only discussing taking down the forums to save money but had not decided on an action yet. I lean towards the ExCo stretching the truth on this, again. That is why they are still viewable on our website but our Atlas ExCo decided on their own to "control the narrative" of our group and effectively stopped the use of the Atlas web forums by removing the moderators. So no posts get approved for viewing. That is why there are currently two months of inactivity on it now. Local 1224 still has them up for all the other carriers in our local, but the Atlas ExCo wants to control what is said on theirs. While the forums were not super active with posts it had a number of lurkers. The communications committee push of members towards the facebook site did slow the forums down. The Atlas forums were a place you had a modicum of a chance to get posted due to equal use of union assets where the facebook page had none of that.
So, there are not a lot of places for our members to go if they have anything slightly different to express that doesn't follow the Kirchner Youth Movement diatribe. So you can blame those past ExCo actions on guys going to public forums.
I was toying with the idea of creating a private facebook like social media for our group. There are open source ones out there that provide about an equivalent product as facebook with web forums included.
Was thinking the moderation would be like here or used to be before 1224 finally took over communications. Posts moderated AFTER posting for compliance to terms of service and not BEFORE where you get censored, deleted, or ignored for post approval as has been going on at Atlas media.
I don't personally agree with any representative of mine to limit my voice by taking away my ability to post or voice my opinion without the fear of reprisal. That is why you will not see anyone disagree with the posters on GCComms and the last time I checked it is not 1600+ pilots that are posting, it is at best a small fraction of our total pilot group. The previous 1224 forums operational philosophy was changed EXACTLY because there were those that disagreed with the union message and they were being censored.
Originally Posted by
Talon1011
All the increasingly rancorous rhetoric on these pages aside, all one really has to do in order to gauge how things have changed for the worse at Atlas is to compare the postings of 2010 or so to those made recently. The feeling around here was considerably different then. Perhaps one day that will change again for the better. It will be quite some time, though.
It is easy to go back through this thread and take an inventory of the handful of named individuals that have ramped up the "increasingly rancorous rhetoric". It is their opinion that things at Atlas have changed for the worse and coincidentally it came at exactly the time that negotiations began. These handful of people don't speak for me or the union. They speak for themselves alone as this is an anonymous forum. So one could perhaps surmise that they are union plants furthering the union message.......or they are just lemmings and have miserable lives.
Either way, I agree that we need a much better contract and the company does need to do a better job engaging in this negotiation process. The company is stalling....as expected.