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Old 06-23-2018, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingnerd View Post
Hey all. Trying to do a students instrument training in an older aircraft. It has a GPS but it isn't current and it is not feasible for him to update it, so GPS approaches aren't available. It does not have DME equipment either. The airplane has dual nav, so we can use triangulation to determine intersections on approaches, em route, etc.

My questions begin here. For his checkride, when he does partial panel, I am almost positive the examiner will cover up one of the obs instruments. At this point what would he have to do to continue? I am stuck between switching nav frequencies and courses over and over (which I would consider as a dangerous practice) or the other, much more conservative option of advising atc and either asking for them to advise of crossing the intersection, fix, etc. Even with these, the only approaches he will be able to do are ILS, LOC, and VOR (which the checkride airport conveniently has all 3). He will also be able to do holds at intersections but obviously not DME holds. He will not be able to do DME arcs either.

If anyone has any experience with this situation, knowledge to input, etx. please let me know. Thanks in advance!
You can fly just fine with 1 CDI, use the other for intersections. Use lead radials, etc.

As far as if it fails, you could have a GPS for awareness and in an emergency situation, like going partial panel, it might be helpful as a pseudo-DME reference, might be good to verify the GPS coords for various fixes around the area, like the VOR. Remember, if you have a nav failure, you are supposed to notify ATC. One reason would be so they can provide radar fixes. With just one CDI, no GPS or DME, I'd be declaring an emergency or landing in VFR.

Why would the examiner cover up a CDI? Unless your primary CDI is an HSI? Otherwise, they shouldn't be covering up CDIs (nav instruments). I would turn off someone's moving-map if I felt they were over-relying on it and didn't understand the fundamentals of timed/compass turns and timing, assuming navigation would still be possible with CDIs on that system. I've asked applicants how they will accomplish a 90 degree turn that is coming up and more than once I've not been able to get an answer. Turn off the map and all hell breaks loose.
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