I would disagree, having worked for Connie also..Connie is the master craftsman at making one mans junk another mans treasure. When we were flying those turd box DC-8-52s thru -63s Connie made a lot of money and outlasted all the Adhoc DC-8 operators of the era and the same with the classics...Ned Wallace was the driving force behind Connie getting rid of the Classics and it wasnt cause they werent making money.... its called a paradigm shift .. ask the Zoners if you dont understand..a CEO not willing to adjust.. until it was way too late. By the way K4 is a billion dollar in revenue privately held company... nobody to answer to but himself!!! And to note 360 had deep pockets and David Greenberg former Delta CEO as their leader..they def could have went places without SA INC in my honest opinion.