Old 09-29-2018, 10:36 AM
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Default Will we ever see pay increases in the near fu

Originally Posted by ENH017 View Post
There's almost no reason for Envoy to give us pay raises, they are turning new hires away in order to control exactly how they want the new hire classes to lay out. We're not losing current employees since half the pilot group will flow in 5 years or less (from today).



Looking into the future yes we could very well see a shortage of new hires again due to pay falling behind the norm. There's just not enough evidence today to convince AAG that pumping money into the pilot group will result in any financial returns for them.



Want to increase pay? Start convicing people to stop coming here now.. and maybe in 2 or 3 years AAG will bring pay back to the table.


Sorry I totally disagree with this position. We shoot ourselves in the foot all the time, by telling Management what they want to hear.

When folks come on here an support willfully a position that we don’t need or won’t get a pay raise vs talking about why we need a pay raise we hurt the processs!!!

Telling people not to come here in hopes for a self supported pay raise is a totally wrong and self-entitlement motivated. The facts should always be spoken. RSV RULES SUCKS! WE LACK BEHIND PEERS IN PAY & SOFT PAY! PERIOD!

I don’t understand how or why people come on here saying the company won’t give a pay raise... Really? How sure are you of that?

AAG/WO as part of the companies position and stance to be competitive will raise pay. Pay will always rise! The question is.... BY HOW MUCH & WHEN?


Hell did you see AA/WOs new FA uniforms? It’s all about competing for Customers, product, and employee talent. No matter how obvious the results. AA matched competition in raising baggage fees., did they want to? No! But management “have” to execute mission statements, values, and strategic plans. Think about that. AAG gave Mainline Pilots and FA’s a random raise last year not out of the kindness of their hear. But because they had to for reasons stated above. Think about that. To say no don’t expect a pay raise IMHO is totally wrong. Your entitled to yours as well.

Now to OP, you have the right idea.... we are lagging further and further behind, and the almighty flow won’t help. Good thread.
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