Originally Posted by
F4E Mx
"...but at the end they stopped trimming and ended up just pulling up which ultimately resulted in the loss of control."
They stopped trimming because they ran out of trim? Seriously apologize if this is a dumb question.
Where is the discussion around flaps in all of this? The theory around MCAS and pilot not understanding it and trying to counter it to no avail through trim is well rehearsed. If you look at the data the pilots had issues from the start but appeared to have gained some momentary control and altitude. Goes back to my theory that pilots probably responded properly to the initial airspeed and altitude disagree and as per MI adjusted flaps but when this was then further compounded by more issues perhaps had neglected or forgot to retract flaps? Between flaps and trim which would win?