Originally Posted by
rickair7777
They DID NOT have a tail stall.
She WAS NOT attempting to apply the recovery technique for a tail stall. There was no discussion or mention of that on the CVR. She was startled, didn't know what yo do so she did the wrong thing. Not surprising given her fatigue state.
They had incorrectly selected increased Vref speeds. Stick shaker activated way too early (20+ knots too early). Captain pulls on the yoke like crazy for reasons we'll never understand. FO puts the flaps up, perhaps to return to previous configuration (shaker goes off almost immediately after selecting flaps 10), but doesn't really discuss that with the captain. Stick pusher activates, captain pulls against it with huge force (160lbs on the last pull). Plane crashes.
Pretty horrible event. But nothing to do with "tail stall". I'm not sure what kind of college that guy went to...