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Old 04-22-2019, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
Management doesn’t fly with you and neither does the Union.
Management doesn’t spend downtime with you and neither does the Union.
The “toxic” atmosphere is created by the people that can only talk about 3 subjects and it’s all cry and moan.
Luckily more often then not you’re flying with a crew that reminds you what this job is about: getting the airplane from over here to over there the safest way possible and having the most fun while doing it.
In my experience, none of that is true about the union.

The union is the entire pilot group (well, except for the flying management types and a very few line pilots who are their bag carriers - who, incidentally, are non-the-less represented by the union). The union officers are more engaged and communicative and out flying the line with the line pilots than ANY other union management that I have ever encountered in 30 years of airline flying.

They host a multitude of outside-of-work inclusive events year round.

The toxicity is absolutely created by the management. Fly with a cockpit full of union members and/or union leadership and you will have a professional and enjoyable trip.

Fly with union nay-sayers and all you hear is "whaaaaa" "whiiinee" .

The reason that some folks feel the union doesn't spend downtime with them is that they never attend any union events like the welcome parties, the roundtable discussions, the memorial services for our fallen brothers, or picketing events.

It's easy to feel left out if you're a slam-clicker.
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