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Old 11-24-2019, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer View Post
Delta’s A220-100 (109 seats) rate is currently $262.84, B717 is $255.57. Assuming they get only a 3% raise for 2020, they will be at $271/263 respectively for small narrowbodies.



E190 pay has been artificially held down in this industry for a few reasons. 1) It’s the same type as a regional, and in some countries is flown as a regional. 2) the launch customer, jetblue, set the bar low and the industry has struggled to negotiate it higher, largely because at most outfits it’s a ghost rate because the plane doesn’t exist, and therefore not much negotiating capital has been expended on it.



JetBlue’s E190 rates are $211, going to $216 in 2020 and $220 in $221. JetBlue’s A220-100 rates are $237/$242 next year and 2021 (though jetblue is supposedly only getting -300s, I just threw that out for comparison).



All this to say I’d like to think you guys could negotiate $240 an hour for the 190..that’s 10% below DL’s “in use” (so not counting their ghost E190 rate) small narrowbodies for 2020 (assuming a 3% raise from their current 2019 rates). I’d think it wouldn’t cost the company a lot since it’s going away and it’s such a small fleet anyway.



Anyway, good luck.
Good info. In any event, fixing the payscales would most definitely fix their manning issues and drive the jet senior as it is definitely the hidden gem for a lot of people local to PHL. They are about to force upgrade 6 more FO's as of this last vacancy announcement. Apparently they have been saying this airplane is "going away" for almost a decade now. Their answer to the Group 1 sized aircraft is to buy used 319's.
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