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Old 01-14-2020, 06:36 AM
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BlueMoon
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Originally Posted by KYTBRD View Post
based on this our week on week off scheduling would be in the crapper. Now instead of 1.5hr min turn I need 3.5 hours. That’ll eliminate a lot of turn possibilities for commuters and drive up either the number of commutes or the number of “dead days” sitting in Memphis waiting for the next set of trips to start. Commuters try to eliminate how many days off they have sitting in Memphis. This potentially results in more unpaid Memphis “layovers”.

time to get to rest facility: 0030
rest:2+00
show prior to departure: 1+00


I haven’t read the whole 117 a while so I’m not sure how the day lines would be effected. I think each of us need to invest time in reading it and while reading it think about how it will effect your typically awarded lines and how it would effect those you’d like to have. At my last job part 117 really screwed with our schedule for the worse by extending how many days you were on the road to make the same amount of pay. I agree the company will put out info to support their position but I think we all need to be very careful with this beast. This is just as much a QoL issue as the vacation system we currently have, Emotional conjecture and posturing without taking the time to read the rules is blind ignorance. ALPA literature will posture just as much as the company but for other self motivated reasons. Read the darn rules, apply them to your February line,and recognize both alpa and Fedex have something to gain and something to lose.

https://www.alpa.org/~/media/DAL/Doc...Rules-Text.pdf

https://www.alpa.org/-/media/DAL/Doc...de-FAR-117.pdf

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/part-117

last but nothing least the FAA legal interpretations of 117 sections

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...bSubmit=Search

save the PDFs to GoodReader or whatever app you use and read them on your next flight when you have nothing else to do. Discuss with others on the flight deck. Don’t wait to be told this will or will not effect your life. Figure it out for yourself. I think it’s age to say commuters try to make as much as possible in as little time as possible. Make sure you can still do that.



117 doesn’t control commuting. It controls what the company can schedule as a turn. You just have to show up properly rested, like we always have.


Your commute in doesn’t count as duty and you could still come 90 minutes before show, that’s a contractual requirement anyway and not an FAR requirement (so is the 13:30 from show of your DH to release of you first duty period).

Since they have to adjust flight times so that all
hub tuners gets 3:30, chances
are the turn time of your commute would be longer. Not that it is required.
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