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Old 02-12-2008, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FliFast View Post
Actually AMR was brilliant in it's acquistion of TWA. Eliminated a competitor, albeit a small one, cemented a divide and conquer strategy between the 2400 TWA pilots and the 10,000 NAAtive pilots, was able to get a 23% paycut with 2900 pilots on furlough, and able to award their managers over 50 million in bonuses. I'm not even sure the Wharton School of Business can beat this case study.

When you allow a union "carte blanche" to integrate another pilot group (APA carrier vs an ALPA carrier) you will get an extermination of the smaller group. This, IMHO is why AA has not been mentioned AND why Congress has stepped into a Deregulated industry and made regulations.

No one will ever know what would have happened if TWA had selected Boeing (just like Continental) as a bailout suitor or if selling their soul back to Satan-Carl Icahn would have resulted in a different ending to TWA. Don Carty and AMR offered to acquire TWA and preserve jobs. Out of 24,000, only 1,800 were saved, mostly because the NAAtive unions on the property stapled all TWA employees at the bottom of the trash can, and some of them with limited (5yr) recall rights.

But from their arrogant handling of the TWA pilot group it is empirically proven that the APA more than, did the job.

Finally, how did the APA membership suffer, that's one that ranks up there with my favorite quote, "The TWA pilots screwed us NAAtive pilots". Not even my man-diapers stopped what happened after I laughed at this one.

I love to read opinions about TWA, unfortunately many are flawed with slants and non-factual posts....."the APA membership suffered"...haaaaaa, good one. American Airlines furloughes after 9/11 barely went into NAAtives hired 12 months prior to 9/11, research all the other legacy carriers and see how many years their furloughs went...3-7 years.

Unfortunately, on the TWA side furloughes went to pilots hired in 1988/1989.

In summary, don't kid yourself that the APA is anyone's friend and thus the lack of dance partners. The only bright spot is that hopefully with the latest round of mergers, that American will no longer be the big fish and in time some one will buy American and staple their pilots to the bottom. Of course, the TWA pilots will be stapled a second time, but when you times 20 years of service x 0 credit, you still get zero. So the NAAtives will be more hurt by a staple than the TWA pilots.

Would you like to know how we really feel about the APA ???

Just ask,

FF

Fli Fast you are such a LIAR.
Me 93' hire at AA, over 800 TWA's Captains senior to me flying captain.They were never furloughed. God knows how many junior to me flying captain at AA. Most TWA pilots hired after 1986 were ratio'd into AA seniority at 8 to 1.
I do not consider that a staple.

TWA crew Schedulers at AA, I know of several, never furloughed.
TWA dispatchers at AA never furloughed.

While even I don't agree with the way TWA pilots were merged, I have heard enough from you.

Now you hope that AA is bought and totally stapled to the bottom of someones seniority list.

FLI FAST IS A CRYBABY

I cannot listen to your constant crying on every thread that has nothing to do with TWA.

20 years of credit right now gets a left seat for any/all TWA pilots in St Louis.
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