Yeah man, me (and others) are good at nuts and bolts type discussions although i sometimes use one word when i mean the other. People on here will keep you in line when your off on a word or a process.

Remember, what we are saying as a union is we want raises. People who work get raises. So that ask isnt crazy. We would like to grab the best of EVERYone elses contract too. We probably cant get that too. One ask we want from, say american, might work against another part of our contract so theres reasons we dont want every single thing. Then we add some extra so we can come down a bit.

So that gets us started. But as you negotiate youll see the company costing come back and that kinda shows you where they value things and where they dont. Assuming you trust yourself, you push the areas that pilot like that dont cost much to the company.

As we find areas we agree with the company we start signing off sections. Then we wait until the end to talk scheduling and pay rates.

Give it about 2more.months of passinging proposals back and forth before the union can get an idea what the company will give on. My suspicion is nothing much because we have very little leverage right now.

The company will start posting profits and talk big in investor calls, so we use that against them at the table.
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its going to be a slow process.