Thread: United AIP TA
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Old 07-02-2022 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
I guess a large part of this is semantics. I'm totally unsure of what you mean by...."Pay is a distant second" to QOL. Then categorize a 16.5 % increase as totally unacceptable.
Have you ever watched a foot race? Basically I want the runner named QOL Improvements to cross the finish line first. I’d like the runner named Pay Raises to cross second, but I don’t really care if he’s anywhere close to QOL Improvements, just as long as he’s ahead of the runner named Retirement.

And are you talking about United’s TA? First, their pay raises are 14.66-15.1%, depending on the fleet. Second, it was 4% for 2022, 5% for 2023, and 5% for 2024. I absolutely consider 4-5% yearly pay increases totally unacceptable, ESPECIALLY in light of their concessionary contract and the fact that the years 2020 and 2021 just apparently don’t matter at all for raises.

So, at some level, PAY is very important. What % pay rate would be the minimum at date of signing and then what annual pay bumps before you would say PAY is a distant second to QOL?
I don’t understand this question, because I already said pay is a distant second to QOL.

That being said, if there were substantial improvements to narrow body QOL, I’d be fine with pay raises that are only slightly above inflation. But I’d want 4-5% retro to the amendable date, 10-15% at date of signing, and 8-10% yearly until the next amendable date. That is with SUBSTANTIAL improvements.

If we’re only talking minor improvements, then the pay raises would need to be substantially higher.

If the runner named QOL Improvements does end up coming in second, then it had better be because the runner named Pay Raises was an Olympic athlete and totally destroyed the other runners, who were all high school gym class runners, so of course QOL Improvements would have no real chance to win.

Anyway, I’m just a single vote and this is all nonsense/fantasy. What I’d LIKE to see and what will eventually come out of the gaping anus of the airline negotiations sausage machine will be very different, and at that time I’ll analyze the TA as best as I can and then vote accordingly.
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