Originally Posted by
Hubcapped
First off, I hope you had a nice holiday with friends and family.
Now let’s get into a bit. Couple issues I have with your comments.
It’s not ammonia, but nitrogen pollution. There is a preponderance of information regarding nitrogen pollution that can be pulled from government sources. Ironically one of the most susceptible environments to nitrogen pollution is….drum roll….low land bogs. Couple prime examples here in the U.S if you want to do some research. One I found was in jersey and was pretty interesting.
You accused me of a straw man arguement despite me literally quoting what winged said, and you have yet to apologize or at least admit you were wrong. I am always willing to admit fault if it’s clearly laid out, I would hope you can do the same. I hold myself to a high standard when I think I’m wrong, and if you want me to take you seriously, I expect the same.
Back to strawmen, we have gone over dead kids in Africa for food…..it is not that simple and you asking me “how many dead kids…” is just plain sensationalism. Stay within a reasonable context and j will continue to discord. Start throwing embellished propaganda at me and I’m just going to walk(which of course may be just fine with you, but I’m here to just pass the time in between flights lol). Regardless the previous gentleman laid out how it’s not that simple. Either refute his well thought out rebuttal with your own, or don’t spread disinformation.
Let’s say however that you are right…starving children in 3rd world countries. Should the Dutch be required now to disregard science and the building pollution problem they face for any other country? You talk about socialism and rights and blah blah, but now you are cherry picking their right to manage their own land.
At the very least it does not seem unreasonable in my mind to understand that pass practices regarding industrial manufacturing of any product, may not be prudent going forward as the world gets smaller, ecosystems get more and more intertwined, and most importantly, science is just now using historical data to really focused on the impact of mass industrialization in the 20th century.
There is a middle ground
Lot more to discuss. But this was long enough. Cheers
It is truly difficult to discern if your understanding of these things is so superficial to non-existent or if you are simply a troll. Or perhaps you are so enthralled with whatever statements those you consider to be authority figures put out that you simply don’t care to have information that might refute them. Have you had any chemistry or biology courses at all? Do you understand what Nitrogen is? That it constitutes 79% of the atmosphere?
that it is sort of the eventual common denominator for the various Nitrogen containing proteins, nitrogen containing salts, and urea that gets into groundwater?
Historically, determination of the total Nitrogen in groundwater was done by something called the Kjeldahl technique which basically converted all the organic matter and ammonium salts to - you guessed it - Ammonia, for determination of total Nitrogen.
https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/fi...draft_2001.pdf
There are better methods now, but that is how total Nitrogen and ammonia levels originally were determined. And for mammals, the total nitrate level is important, but what is driving this particular issue is the Ammonia level because we must save those precious fresh water mussels.
As for the starving kids in Africa being a straw man, would that were true. You are perhaps aware that there is a war going on in The Ukraine, the historical “breadbasket of Europe” while between sanctions and boycotts the cheap Russian natural gas that is converted into fertilizer,
https://www.fertilizerseurope.com/fe...zers-are-made/
these are desperate times for those in Africa who live on the edge of hunger even in good times, nothing strawman about it. Are you that ignorant or do you just not care?