Originally Posted by
kman
try 6-9 years for an upgrade, unless there are massive retirements or large a/c order. Looks like its about on par with some of the majors now. Where do u guys get 5 year upgrade from? How many true upgrades this year so far? 20 Maybe?If were lucky we will have 60 true upgrades this year. Upgrades will hit the decade mark soon unless things speed up. I truly hope things dont take that long but with almost 3 years at NJA it will be 5 years at best for me. Good luck.
As far as comparing NJ to DL, You didn't include Greenslip pay ( correct me if Im wrong ) at 200 percent and You will most likely break guarantee as a line holder. My average weekly duty in a 7 day period is 79 hours. We may only fly 19 hours in a tour, but just as much duty time is as a person flying a 90hr line at the airlines. And who cares if u fly 10 hours a tour? IF you have 5 days of 12hr hot standby at the airport ( Like I did last tour ) id rather be flying. Too many of us say we only fly X amount of hours a month. Why dont you guys state how many hours of duty we do in a month? And as far as guar . goes we work on average at least equivalent of a 80-85 hour line at the airlines, so you should include that when factoring in how much we make.
How many bbj s do we have? Anybody hired in the last 7 years will they ever even see the BBJ? At least at the airlines you could possibly be a widebody captain. How many of us will even see the falcon? Not many.
How many 777's, 767, 747 do the airlines have? And how do they staff the widebodys? Last I heard it was about 10.5 or more per plane. NJA staffs at what 6.5? Also guys at delta were getting hired directly into the 75 76 did you figure those numbers in?
Im ranting but it just seems like too many guys try to make it seem like its perfect over here. Let the beating begin.
No Bashing...
YES mileage will vary. I thought I made that clear in the original post.
There are so many variables and so many "unknowns" that I couldn't possibly put them all in one graph...sorry.
As for how much we work per week...that is information that I indicated one must research. I don't agree with your assessment as to how much we DO actually work though, because it really depends on FLEET...as you know.
As for you mentioning BBJ's or FALCONS...I did not use their payscale in the above chart. They are paid considerably more...just like the 777 Captain (compared to the MD88 Cpt). That data was not included in the chart above. The chart above is for aircraft OTHER THAN the Falcon or BBJ. I didn't use Falcon/BBJ data
BECAUSE it would be unrealistic for a new-hire to even think he would get in one of those airframes,
as a PIC, in under 16 years. So what was your point mentioning the BBJ and Falcon again ?
And you mentioned "staffing" figures...um...so ?
I am familiar with the major airlines as I am furloughed from one (AA) and I will NEVER go back there - yes I have a seniority number and anxiously await the recall so I can tell them to pack sand. If it's so bad here, you can always apply at Delta and hope for the return of the "glory days." Seriously though, I DO miss the pre-9/11 lifestyle and paycheck at AA...but that is now a distant memory.
And finally, this information wasn't meant as a pro-NJA or anti-Delta post. Take the information and apply that information which you are comfortable with. With DELTA cutting their routes, I am not so sure that they will all maintain that 80-85 hour line pay (BUT THEY MIGHT)...I could be wrong. Again, I estimate using conservative figures and
GUARANTEED PAY. You see, we are paid a SALARY, not a wage based on FLIGHT HOURS and it is GUARANTEED regardless if you fly/work 0 hours or 100 in a month. You can use whatever figures you
like including 777 Captain pay from year 1 to 16...whatever floats your boat. That might be over-doing it a little though don't you think ?
And finally, I have never had a "perfect" job.
Oh, and get that Delta app in...
Bottom line...NJA is not for everyone...but neither are the Major/Legacy airlines anymore...mileage will vary and so will career choices. Good luck everyone.