They wouldn't need to be placed into UPS's fleet because they will continue to operate for TNT in Europe. These planes are operated by different companies in the EU, and are probably operated more efficiently than UPS could operate them.
I would doubt any of their flying would go to the IPA.
I love how everyone assumes our scope clause is for naught...
IPA President Miller Meets with State Department In Advance of Open Skies Discussions
As the U.S. prepares to begin the next round of EU/U.S. ‘Open Skies’ agreements, IPA President Bob Miller and IPA representatives traveled to Washington, D.C. on Tuesday for a meeting with John Byerly, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Transportation Affairs.
Byerly requested the meeting with Miller to hear the IPA’s views on the Open Skies discussions and to layout the framework of agreements that had occurred between the EU and U.S. Byerly also talked about the issues that proved problematic and gave projected timelines for completing stage two of the open skies agreement.
Also attending the discussions were IPA Vice President Bob Brown, IPA Scope and International Affairs consultant Roz Ellingsworth, IPA staff attorney Olga Zhuravliova and Terri Robl, Director, Office of Aviation Negotiations.
As you may recall, Byerly (right) was the U.S. chief civil aviation negotiator for the EU-U.S. ‘Open Skies’ Air Transport Agreement that went into effect on March 30, 2008. The agreement provides substantial benefits for passengers, shippers and the air transport industry on both sides of the Atlantic.
One of the significant benefits for U.S. all cargo airlines has been the right to establish free standing hub operations in eight EU member states, including France and Germany (seventh freedoms).
One of the topics that IPA President Miller brought to Byerly’s attention was the applicability of the Railway Labor Act as it pertains to the establishment of foreign domiciles. You may recall that Pan American Airlines opened a crew base in Germany only to discover their flight attendants' labor agreement did not apply in Germany.
IPA and CAPA are currently working with Congress to develop legislation that would allow for labor union contracts to apply in foreign domiciles. Byerly said he understood the IPA’s position and found it relevant for any negotiations.
Miller called the meeting productive and beneficial to both sides and said that Byerly seemed to appreciate of the IPA’s input and opened the door for future discussions between the IPA and State Dept.
“It’s important that the IPA participate in meetings like these so that the leaders who are negotiating the Open Skies agreement know and understand our pilots’ needs as they pertain to the Open Skies. Working closely with government agencies like the State Department will help to ensure our scope clause is not violated,” said Miller.
The second rounds of EU-U.S. Open Skies negotiations is scheduled to begin September 22 in Washington and is expected to take about 18 months, with the tentative implementation date for the Second Stage agreement set for spring of 2010.