Originally Posted by
keenster
First of all I would have retired at NWA in the top 3% about 175 or so. Now I will retire in the top 13% or about number 1600 or so. Over my career that will cost me about $750,000. Also quality of life will be alot less because where you bid is what it is all about. We have already had 200 retirements since this started that now moves DAL guys infront of me up into possible 330 seats. DOH means alot to me it may mean nothing to you. If it means nothing then why is your list based on it at your stand alone company. Why don't we start hiring guys right into 777a seats.
As for the pay raise I have already had this dispute. My huge 8 dollar and hour results in about 150 take home a month extra. If you consider that a huge pay raise then we are all in trouble.
I lost 1% on the list but it is the percentage that i lost over the years. My percentage gets worse every year compared to my yearly percentage at stand alone NWA. Ending up at 13% vs 3% is huge. Does it bother you that I have took a pretty good hit. Not been a drama queen at all. I guess the facts don't set well with you.
To put it bluntly, The DAL guys have had 2 seniority windfalls. The first being when your senior guys bailed. Hey iam happy for you guys on this. If those guys were still around, 85 hires would not be in the 200s. Now those same 85 hires did well in this arbitration. If it had gone date of hire they would have had 1220 NWA guys in front of them. SO that particular group made out extremely well.
As for 767, I have no desire to do the flying that it does. It is a good airplane and it is a wide body, just not the plane for me. I went from holding the 330a in a year or so to probably not being able to hold it for 5-7 years. Then I am 60 and will be gone I hope>
So the fact that I can't hold the 330A seat now is a loss for me in money and quality of life. Had my advancement potential due to NWA retirements remained the same, I would not have a beef. I would have been happy where i am now if I still had the move up potential due to NWA retirements which are much greater over the next 5-7 years
My bet is that we are not going to be one big happy family. It's done and its a pretty good screw job for me. Every NWA guy around me is ****ed.
8 bucks an hour additional should equate to 8,000 dollars a year, or an extra $666 a month, using standard pilot jungle math.
Remember that although your percentage is diluted as you finish your career, you must remember how many more airplanes you have gained access to. FACT: Delta has more wide-bodies than NWA (I'm talking twin-aisle 777's and 767's). And you just got access to all of the 767's after SOC.
I know you like the 330 - and there is a strong chance Delta will buy more 330's. RA has stated he likes the 330 better than the 767-300ER. It carries more people and cargo. And your dreamliner orders will likely be converted to 777LR's - and flown by NWA pilots until the fence expires. Those LR's will likely show up before the 787 will - since it (787) is late, overweight, and under fuel economy.
Are you a commuter? Are any of the new domiciles going to help you?
I was having fun with you with the drama queen - I love that picture.
Have you considered what would have happened to your 330 seat if they parked the 747 freighters and you guys were still stand-alone?
All I'm saying is I think your glass is half-full vs. half-empty.
Delta treats us pretty well. Management (right now) is the best we've had in a while.
Guys on Delta flightdecks rarely whine about getting screwed...we talk about sports, guns, hobbies, golf, family, cooking, motorcycles, computers, music - whatever guys figure out they are both into... we rarely beeyotch about work.
We go out together and drink beer and eat and visit local attractions.
We wear our uniforms with pride, glad we work for a company that is still in business, and do everything we can to save the Company a buck so that we will survive another day. We push old ladies in wheelchairs and sometimes do jobs that aren't ours to help out others...We hope for massive profits due to our actions so we can ask for (and get) pay restoration in a future contract and profit sharing next year.
Did NWA have a possible 6% profit sharing payout? Well, you've got that now. That could be an extra 6 grand plus to your paycheck if we do well next year.
It's not gonna be so bad for you.