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Old 12-13-2008, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by redblueskies View Post
PackTrip, I appreciate your efforts to post these numbers. I do. For someone who is so into numbers (as I am myself), it'd hurt a lot less if you stopped trying to trivialize the difference in retirements. It doesn't take a statistician to see that those retirement numbers when changed into percentages represent 20% of the premerger NWA list and only 10% of the premerger DAL list over the next 10 years. In other words NWA had double the attrition coming when looked at with percentages, which is the only accurate way to view these things. I won't even get into the medical & pension as motivation to retire at 60 debate but that would have accelerated the NWA side even more.

The reason DAL retirements start to exceed NWA's so much eventually is simply because there's hardly any NWA pilots left. To see a true comparision you'd have to change the numbers into a percentage of remaining premerger groups. You'll see 10-20 years from now it doesn't take many NWA retirements at all to match DALs attrition as a value of percentage of remaining pilots from each group.

I, and many other NWA guys, lost a TON of career progression and that caused me to lose sleep a few nights so far this week. Just to give you an idea I was slated to retire in the single digits, now I'm projected to retire around 300. I would have been a narrowbody CA in about 4 years now I'll be lucky if it's 10. Still not shabby but we can all agree it is a significant blow to career expectations, a blow that starts at SOC. I'm taking the advice of the wise old men on here and looking on the brightside and trying not to dwell on it, but do us a favor and stop pretending DAL guys had anywhere near the short term attrition NWA guys had. It's insulting to our intelligence, most of us have already crunched the numbers and know better.

Now here's to hoping we all benefit for our sacrifices and turn this new airline into the best airline in the world.
Good post. I would have retired premerger 290 range. Post merger I retire in 1260 range. Anyone that tries to tell me that the difference in those 2 numbers is made up for in size or something is crazy. To make it worse, we got no credit for the approx 250 NWA guys that have retired since this started. Had our current number used for integreation been adjusted for these 250 guys leaving it would have moved me up the combined list 643 numbers. That is hard to swallow, guys gone before the merger but getting the move up after list integration. Well now everyone moves up 250 when the list is redone. Just another huge loss in QOL and Bucks. No slam against the DAL guys, but you will never realize the losses on the NWA side because unless you live it you can't know it and that's not just SLI related but also huge things we lost with our contract going away. Enough beating the drum. Time to look forward.

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