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Old 08-03-2009, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FighterHayabusa View Post
This is the game though isn't it? Republicans desperately want to make "Obamacare" a failure so they look good for 2010. What if, instead, they had a few dudes who decided to add some amendments to the public option to ensure it couldn't kill private insurance in exchange for their vote? In this climate there is no Republican who would dare, thus ensuring no passage (they hope) or passage (God forbid) of something way more left than it should be. If we could all just sit and talk sensibly about public option and how to ensure it does not kill private insurance maybe we could get somewhere.
Where to start? As a mod it is my job to kill partisan posts, but this is such a good example of the failure of partisan politics that I thought it best to let it stand.

What many of us don't understand is that both sides have dwelt in a fantasy of high debt and the extreme fantasy of unlimited resources. Of course the congress critters have their very own special retirement and medical plans, so they can't be counted on for an honest judgement.

Looking at the actual numbers, the US spends more money on health care as a percentage of GDP than any other country. You need to talk to some real Doctors to find out why this massive injection of taxpayer funding has driven medical costs through the roof.

First, government has no money, any money they get is derived from the productive sectors of society. Many equate "free" with government funded, and have only a primitive concept of money as a symbol of the generation of wealth. The ultimate goal of government health care is to eliminate competion and jobs in the private sector. Ask yourself how this worked for the post office, social security, public education, and medicaid. The results were dismal and no rational person would buy the product.
Elimination of profit is really elimination of value.

We could eliminate the illegal drug trade overnight by killing the profits and living with the human loss. An industry destroyed, but at what value? In this case an artificial value has been created by law and government intervention, much like the intervention in health care and other sectors.

Second. We need to understand that everyone can't have everything. The uninsurable will run out of money under any plan, a plan to serve the common denominater will provide less to half and more to half, but ultimately will fail to provide the unlimited resources you imagine.

The solution. We all have to live within our means, more government monopolies reduce competition and weaken the economy. Freedom of choice by reasonable humans will always result in better solutions. Ultimately it is a strong economy and the strength of our productive endeavors that strengthen this country, not government programs to confiscate and redistribute.

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