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Old 02-28-2017, 04:18 PM
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United won't see a 737 Max for 3 years. American owns every delivery slot over that time.
Actually you appear to be wrong on you assertion. UA takes first Max in 2018. Not sure where you are getting your information but it isn't factual as of today.

UA is launch customer for Max9. Delivery in 2018
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Originally Posted by airlinegypsy View Post
Thank you. Obviously the big 3 will not have any problem filling classes, but how many spots will be reserved for pilots from Mesa and the like?
The same number that will be reserved for AWAC and CommutAir = ZERO.

CPP at UA doesn't reserve slots at UA. DGI at Delta doesn't reserve slots. There are no reserved slots at any place besides American.

CPP/DGI/Flow is a trap for people who can't see the writing on the wall for the next 3-5 years. American's flow isn't as bad as the other two programs since you don't have to interview again and just have to watch the clock, but it's still a foolish move to make it your primary plan.

At least at American somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-75% of new hire slots are already spoken for. The rest goes to military and a handful of lucky pilots from across the industry.
How long will they be able to pull their current military percentage before the military pilot pool is reduced down to solely the guys getting out at 10 years vs right now where there is a huge spread of guys between 10 and 20 years getting out? That high military percentage will not last too long.

AA, UAL and DAL have people lined up for miles to fly for them, but the shortage at their regionals is already here, hence the bonuses and hiring agreements. It will get worse, and when it does it's a logical step to make service at a regional of their choosing mandatory prior to sitting in the right seat of the mainline. Will it be 100%? Probably not, but pretty close to it in the future is my guess.
If they hire off the street, that's one pilot they have to find/recruit/hire.

If they hire a pilot from a regional that flies their feed, they also have to find another pilot to replace him at the regional he just left, which like you said, is hard now, and getting harder.

It's a lot easier to attract someone to work at mainline than it is to keep attracting a continuous feed of new pilots at a regional when there aren't enough to go around, which is why they hang the Flow/CPP/DGI carrot just barely out of reach of the majority of the guys at the regional and only let in a small trickle of regional guys into the mainline millionaires club each year.

What would you do if you were trying to keep your mainline airline AND your regional airline staffed? Hire one pilot or two?

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It's not the case at UA now but as UA brings more and more programs such as CPP it will lower the odds of a street-hire.
How so?

Street hires and CPP guys have to survive the same interview and meet roughly the same job requirements, and as United drops their requirements, the CPP requirements will probably stay unchanged.

The turndown rates are pretty high too right now.
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Originally Posted by ItnStln View Post
That's what I thought, but AWAC only has 66 a/c per Wikipedia.
One lease comes up this year. Don't know which tail.
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Originally Posted by Flying101 View Post
Pretty sure that's very illegal. Kirby isn't that dumb.
If it was illegal why would he say it in writing? Pretty sure you're that dumb. Read the release and email
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Old 02-28-2017, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Lambourne View Post
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Actually you appear to be wrong on you assertion. UA takes first Max in 2018. Not sure where you are getting your information but it isn't factual as of today.

UA is launch customer for Max9. Delivery in 2018
Billy can't get anything right.
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An engine without a car is a generator.
So in the end we need each other to create a force not to be reckoned with.
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Old 02-28-2017, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho View Post
United won't see a 737 Max for 3 years. American owns every delivery slot over that time.
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Actually you appear to be wrong on you assertion. UA takes first Max in 2018. Not sure where you are getting your information but it isn't factual as of today.

UA is launch customer for Max9. Delivery in 2018
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Old 03-01-2017, 03:59 AM
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So pretty much you got 5yrs to get your ducks in a row and find another job...
What is the over under of percentage of guys five years from now will be crying foul about AirWhiskey not getting another extension. I'm saying 70% for the over.

Next thing we will see is a post from a newbie asking what kind of qualifications and work rules you have to get on...in 3 2 1...
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Originally Posted by Papa Bear View Post
So pretty much you got 5yrs to get your ducks in a row and find another job...
What is the over under of percentage of guys five years from now will be crying foul about AirWhiskey not getting another extension. I'm saying 70% for the over.

Next thing we will see is a post from a newbie asking what kind of qualifications and work rules you have to get on...in 3 2 1...
It's actually 5 years with an optional 2 year extension
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I'm astounded by the amount of people badmouthing this new contract we had nothing to do with as a pilot group, and that saved us from losing our jobs next year. Unless you work(ed) at ZW, you don't know how bad morale has been the past few years knowing Feb 2018 was the end. Approx >80% of this pilot group is looking to get on with a bigger airline and didn't want to have to start over at another regional next year.
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