Air Wisconsin Signs 5 Year CPA With United
03-01-2017, 05:34 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by el jefe
I'm astounded by the amount of people badmouthing this new contract we had nothing to do with as a pilot group, and that saved us from losing our jobs next year. Unless you work(ed) at ZW, you don't know how bad morale has been the past few years knowing Feb 2018 was the end. Approx >80% of this pilot group is looking to get on with a bigger airline and didn't want to have to start over at another regional next year.
All the respect for Air Whiskey guys...get on and move on!!!!
03-01-2017, 05:48 PM
#132
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
As I've said in the past, the CPP has no teeth. There isn't a contractual obligation and it's very clear neither Delta or United are interested in giving up control of pilot selection. A preferential interview is nice, but many many people are still failing it and in the end, you still go behind people in seniority order, whereas OTS goes in interview order.
03-02-2017, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
I agree with that. UA and DA has set up their pref interview arrangements to their benefit. Its almost like they have a pilot of probation their entire time at the regional. Fail training, call in too much, they can keep you out of mainline. That is one area that make the AA Flow Program so much better. If your efforts to get an mainline job as an OTS hire fail, when your flow number comes up, you go. No HR games.
Meanwhile, I saw OTS guys get hired who where chronic problem children, red on their schedule EVERY MONTH between sick calls, missed trips, etc. Never mind the ones that had disciplinary action, multiple training failures, etc.
03-02-2017, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RgrMurdock
Has this changed the dynamics of your contract negotiations? Has the union said anything yet?
I don't have much faith in them after they tried to sell their last concessionary TA. They don't even seem to know what a distressed carrier is. But I'm sure another coffee party that they decide to make you pay for will make everything at ARW great again
#MARWGA
03-02-2017, 07:54 PM
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Here's all you need to know. Total mandatory retirements at DAL, UAL, AA, SWA and FedEx in the next 10 yrs = 20,988. Total regional pilots right now for the top 13 = 18,581. Unless you are a knucklehead, don't meet the requirements for some reason, or are going to retire in that timeframe you should be able to get a job at a major airline.
03-03-2017, 01:53 AM
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Not sure what "normal" numbers are for the ex-military annually, but I predict that number is going to go up dramastically over the next 5 years. People are turning down promotions and bonuses and getting out at a much higher rate than before.
Originally Posted by CBreezy
You're forgetting military. That typically accounts for half the hiring although I don't think there will be 10,000 military hires. I'd say more like 5000. So, not everyone.
03-03-2017, 03:36 AM
#139
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus
The union signed away their ability to even sit at the table until this fall. They don't have any say in what happens for a long time.
I don't have much faith in them after they tried to sell their last concessionary TA. They don't even seem to know what a distressed carrier is. But I'm sure another coffee party that they decide to make you pay for will make everything at ARW great again
#MARWGA
I don't have much faith in them after they tried to sell their last concessionary TA. They don't even seem to know what a distressed carrier is. But I'm sure another coffee party that they decide to make you pay for will make everything at ARW great again
#MARWGA
Most all of us had issues with that last TA, no doubt. But at least be honest about our current status.
ID
03-03-2017, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Inside DEENA
Not true. The LATEST they could return was this fall. Any substantial change to our status (such as securing new flying) triggers a return to the barganing table.
Most all of us had issues with that last TA, no doubt. But at least be honest about our current status.
ID
Most all of us had issues with that last TA, no doubt. But at least be honest about our current status.
ID
This is the only literature in the LOA that I see on the matter. If I'm being so dishonest, please post the language that supports what you're saying. I'm actually hoping that what you're saying is correct. But I don't see anything in writing that supports it.
SHJ
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