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Old 02-27-2017, 08:20 AM   #31  
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Actually Kirby is very good. After the merger it was common knowledge at management teams at DAL, AA and others that a combined UAL - CAL had the best hubs and mainline network hands down. But as long as Smisek and his misfits were running the show nothing to worry about. They always said however if UAL ever got solid management they were a massive force to be reckoned with.

Well with Oscar Munoz, Scott Kirby we finally have great management. Others always bring up Kirby and RJ's. Well that's why you have a contact and scope section for and UAL's scope is the best in the industry. Yes we can always improve & tweak and I'm sure Kirby will be difficult to negotiate against.

That being said the UAL MEC was blown away by Kirby's briefing to them at the last MEC meeting and from what I am told that was unanimous from the entire MEC. Given any MEC especially ours that's no small accomplishment. Kirby wants to be number one and is very aggressive, Smisek wanted to be number three to cut expense and run a $hitty airline.

I'll take Kirby any day. Now that the big three all have very competent managements, mergers caused profitable entities & pattern bargaining has raised the bar that's great news for all pilots in the industry!
I was being facetious, Kirby is good for United. Getting paid well at a healthy company is always better than than an unhealthy one. Goes to show you the blessing of Oscar's two year extension to your contract. Last thing you would want right now is for Kirby to come onboard mid negotiations.
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Old 02-27-2017, 08:21 AM   #32  
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Great news for AWAC! Now that's even more NH slots at UAL that are spoken for, making it tougher for someone to get hired off the street.
Don't you work for an airline that has flow (envoy)?

Is it not hypocritical to be complaining about another airline setting up a CPP that doesn't actually even set aside guaranteed spots for the people it is being offered to?
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Old 02-27-2017, 08:22 AM   #33  
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DON'T BE FOOLED! Kirby is a Navy guy who didn't fly... He DOES NOT like pilots, period. He loves outsourcing and cheap labor. Why do you think USAirways has so many regional carriers? He's not a dumb guy but he does not care about pilots just $$$.
I couldn't care less if Kirby likes pilots or not. As long as he likes the airline the rest will fall into place.

An airline is more than its pilots.
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Old 02-27-2017, 08:22 AM   #34  
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DON'T BE FOOLED! Kirby is a Navy guy who didn't fly... He DOES NOT like pilots, period. He loves outsourcing and cheap labor. Why do you think USAirways has so many regional carriers? He's not a dumb guy but he does not care about pilots just $$$.
What kind of contract did USAirways have post bankruptcy? Wasn't It the bottom hands down worst industry wide, even compared to all other post bankruptcy contracts?

United and CAL (except Bethune & to a lesser extent Kellner) have had decades worth of terrible management. I'll take competent management anyday. Yes, ALPA has its work cut out negotiating against Kirby. Still I'll take that in a NY second vs. the sorry incompetent management's we've had in our history.
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I couldn't care less if Kirby likes pilots or not. As long as he likes the airline the rest will fall into place.

An airline is more than its pilots.
Amen brother!
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I was being facetious, Kirby is good for United. Getting paid well at a healthy company is always better than than an unhealthy one. Goes to show you the blessing of Oscar's two year extension to your contract. Last thing you would want right now is for Kirby to come onboard mid negotiations.
No worries, I agree!
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DON'T BE FOOLED! Kirby is a Navy guy who didn't fly... He DOES NOT like pilots, period. He loves outsourcing and cheap labor. Why do you think USAirways has so many regional carriers? He's not a dumb guy but he does not care about pilots just $$$.
Are you crazy? Scot and Doug saved 5,000 pilot jobs from liquidation. Those boys are making 300k going into retirement now. They got hosed by an arbitrator nothing else. Scot and Doug built AW, saved US Air, and substantially improved AA from the direction it was heading.
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Old 02-27-2017, 08:44 AM   #38  
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The only reason XJT continues to shrink is due to the fact that Skywest will not let XJT into the contract negotiations. Skywest has the plan to shut down XJT and that is happening. You need to look at Skywest, not UA for the problems at XJT.
Don't disagree, not sure who to blame more.
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Old 02-27-2017, 08:55 AM   #39  
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"Since our regional partners are flying with the United brand painted on the airplane, we have to hold them to the same high standards of reliability and customer service that we hold ourselves to at the mainline. Our current regional partners provide great, seamless service and reliability in feeding today's network."

This is BS right here that makes me angry as a Xjet pilot. Both Xjet and RAH have whole pairings built just to cover what Commutair can't because they're such a disaster. Yet they grow and we shrink. UA only cares about cheap.

But AWAC is a good airline, so good for them. You're right, at least it's not Mesa.
Yeah, I agree- the first part of your post sounds like something I'd expect to hear on April Fool's. Apparently, he hasn't met some of the Mesa new hires. Aside from that, there's no need to get angry, just keep working to better your resume, and jump off this sinking ship as soon as possible. It's all we can do, since it's painfully evident that the puppets in Atlanta have zero intention of keeping us open. Give it a day or two, and the merry band of mental midgets from Hartsfield Center Parkway will roll out even more smoke and mirrors in an attempt to keep us from seeing the truth. So, I guess we're going to be scuttling the ORD base later this year?

... Also, congrats to the AWAC folks, it's about time you recieved some good news over there.
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ORD is probably done for Xjet. The word I heard is that any base closure would be contingent upon whether AWAC got the rumored United deal, which has come true, and that it would be ORD, not EWR as some speculated.
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