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Old 06-19-2017, 11:38 AM
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I have an interview next week and I'm really looking forward to it. I've heard nothing but good things about Air Wisconsin.

A few questions for people in the know:

1. Where is the movement coming from? From what I have read the new United aircraft are essentially just replacing old AA flying 1 for 1. Is the movement projected based on attrition or is there actual expansion happening?

2. How are the lines currently? I realize UAL flying will be a whole different animal, but what does a middle of the road line currently look like in terms of days off, hours, commutability, etc.

3. Are there any details available regarding the United Career Pathway program? Is there a commitment to a certain % per month, for example?

4. I'm a former 121 pilot with E145 SIC type but I have been out for a few years. Does the extra 8k bonus apply?


Thanks so much!
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I have an interview next week and I'm really looking forward to it. I've heard nothing but good things about Air Wisconsin.

A few questions for people in the know:

1. Where is the movement coming from? From what I have read the new United aircraft are essentially just replacing old AA flying 1 for 1. Is the movement projected based on attrition or is there actual expansion happening?

2. How are the lines currently? I realize UAL flying will be a whole different animal, but what does a middle of the road line currently look like in terms of days off, hours, commutability, etc.

3. Are there any details available regarding the United Career Pathway program? Is there a commitment to a certain % per month, for example?

4. I'm a former 121 pilot with E145 SIC type but I have been out for a few years. Does the extra 8k bonus apply?


Thanks so much!
1. No word about expansion at this point. We currently have about 450 pilots on property so a lot of the movement will be simply rebuilding our seniority list in addition to natural attrition off the top.

2. The lines are typically 4 on 3 off with a lot in open time. Reserves have 12 days off minimum and are used every day. Because of our staffing situation reroutes extensions and junior assignments are pretty common. Prepare to fly a lot. In theory this should get better as more pilots come through IOE.

3. No word about the CPP at this point and I dont think well have any answers to that question until our United flying begins in the fall.

4. I dont know.
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:12 PM
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Cool thanks. I appreciate it.
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You said 121 time, with a E145 SIC type rating. Umm I am pretty sure if you were flying part 121 you can not have an SIC type rating and be legal, correct me if I am wrong, flying part 135 yes. Not to mention a 50 seat airplane can't be operated under 135 unless it only has 30 seats in it. I was just recently hired also with two SIC type ratings flying part 135. I was not eligible for the 8k because SIC type ratings do not count, (PIC only) the rest of the bonus is still pretty sweeeeet though......
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Pretty sure a friend had an exact same SIC only on his certificate after a stint with ExpressJet few years back
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Prior to the ATP rule most regionals handed out SIC's.
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Stryker is pretty accurate. The movement is based on our current staffing levels being below what we need to fully staff 65 aircraft. Our flying is down right now as we wind down the AA feed and prepare for the UAL spool up. Rumors abound about how much flying we will do for UAL, but as of right now it's only for 65 aircraft. You will find out, (if you didn't already know) management is notoriously tight lipped about specifics regarding the future.

Re:lines. Yes, 3 off 4 on is the norm for lineholders. 3 off 5 on for reserves. Typically reserves fly a lot although it fluctuates over time due to staffing. I would expect to fly a lot for the foreseeable future. Lines lately have been lower credit, 70-80 hours. With 14-18 days off. Again, due to the lower total block hours there are more sits during the day. Traditionally lines have been 80-100 hours with 12-15 days off. With some outliers.

Our CPP is rumored to be very similar to the other agreements out there and supposedly there is an announcement coming shortly.
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You said 121 time, with a E145 SIC type rating. Umm I am pretty sure if you were flying part 121 you can not have an SIC type rating and be legal, correct me if I am wrong, flying part 135 yes. Not to mention a 50 seat airplane can't be operated under 135 unless it only has 30 seats in it. I was just recently hired also with two SIC type ratings flying part 135. I was not eligible for the 8k because SIC type ratings do not count, (PIC only) the rest of the bonus is still pretty sweeeeet though......
It's an ATP with an EMB-145 SIC ONLY on the back. This is from 2013 so I'm assuming the rules have changed. Thanks for the info. on the bonus. Congrats on being hired!
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Stryker is pretty accurate. The movement is based on our current staffing levels being below what we need to fully staff 65 aircraft. Our flying is down right now as we wind down the AA feed and prepare for the UAL spool up. Rumors abound about how much flying we will do for UAL, but as of right now it's only for 65 aircraft. You will find out, (if you didn't already know) management is notoriously tight lipped about specifics regarding the future.

Re:lines. Yes, 3 off 4 on is the norm for lineholders. 3 off 5 on for reserves. Typically reserves fly a lot although it fluctuates over time due to staffing. I would expect to fly a lot for the foreseeable future. Lines lately have been lower credit, 70-80 hours. With 14-18 days off. Again, due to the lower total block hours there are more sits during the day. Traditionally lines have been 80-100 hours with 12-15 days off. With some outliers.

Our CPP is rumored to be very similar to the other agreements out there and supposedly there is an announcement coming shortly.
Thanks for the info. This all seems pretty much in line with my previous 121 job. Gotta love those long sits
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I'd rather be in the air but the sits aren't bad knowing that we are at least getting paid thanks to the 2:1 duty rig
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