UhOhItsTheFiveO

Thanks Prex, I appreciate it

PowderFinger

Bet you fit right in with Mesa.

stroopwaffle

Before the 1500 hour rule, a healthy amount of pilots got hired and made it through training with 750 hours or less at hire date in a smaller training footprint.

If you study the minimum or just the gouges floating around, you’re gonna have a bad experience.

Inconsistency with orals and LCA standards? Maybe, but when flying 50 pax all day long, just getting by doesn’t cut it anywhere. Study like you’re getting the hardest oral every time you go in. You never know when the examiners are going to swap schedules.

Cooperate to graduate, then you can f-up all you want on the line (until captains start to complain).

FlyPKP

Sounds like someone expected this to be handed to them on a silver platter. Air Wisconsin still has high standards and would rather send you packing than send you out on the line and be a liability. There's a lot of that, I deserve this attitude, and if you think you can coast through training here, you are mistaken. Study what they tell you, don't expect a free ride. Maybe don't go to the bars so much in Appleton? And you'll be fine. Odd how the other alleged 60% still pass. They put in the effort.

Day4mx

Talking to a buddy of mine who does interviews here...he said he asked a candidate how he would determine the missed approach point on a plate. His answer was...id just feel it out. Those are the people we dont want. Those are the people you dont want flying your family around in lousy weather.

Grumbletrousers

If this was a genuine answer from an instrument rated candidate during an interview I can’t imagine what they would do as PIC with no one looking.

I’m with Stryker, I’d rather not fly with someone like this.

gtr7791

This is EXACTLY the place I work at... You must be a, senior, mid-west living, line holder. I'm really sorry you are so disconnected StyrkerB21. Go back to sleep.

BigWillyCapt

As usual the truth is somewhere in the middle. I haven't seen any reliable statistics on wash-out so I can't comment on the numbers. Does ZW have a tough training department? Possibly. And I agree with some of the others above. If we don't feel you are up to the standard, then you will not progress. We don't want substandard pilots flying our airplanes around. I will say that some pilots are easier to train and progress more quickly then others. If they have good self awareness, they can almost teach themselves with some guidance. There are others who can't seem to progress no matter how much help they get. (And some in the middle obviously). I have flown with pilots on trip 5+ who still fly like it's trip 1 or 2.
I also agree there is some variation in the instructors. But I suspect that is the case everywhere. I have had good and less than optimal experiences with the same sim examiner. Not ideal, but that's life.

If you are new and just starting out, learn all you can from your instructor and prioritize what you study. Nothing puts the examiner in a bad mood more than when the pilot can't spit out even the most basic limitations or memory items. For the CPT and Sim as was mentioned, study the flows/call-outs and checklists. If you can't remember what to say it makes it harder to fly the plane/sim. My partner and I hung the posters and chair flew together almost daily and I did on my own too. Use the study groups for memorizing facts and systems knowledge.

I have signed off plenty of guys who came straight out of a 172/Seminole into the RJ and they did fine, so it's possible.

Air Wisconsin is a great regional to work at and has been good to me. A great pilot group. But it's not handed to you.

FODhopper

As a former AWAC instructor, I'll second most of the others who were or are here. The training is tough but fair. I gave the same advice I've seen repeated here: Study what they tell you to study, and they do tell you.

I've given to students, for take home study, the exact oral questions that the the Chief IP and a senior APD consistently use the most and yet the next day when I give a mock oral, some folks can't answer some of the simplest wrote responses required.

While there will always be a few bad experiences, in general, if you are moaning about the training experience at AWAC then just don't apply for a mainline job because they are looking for people who achieve no matter the obstacles.

I'll say the same for 9E, another strong training department that gives you every opportunity to succeed if you want to succeed. But there are standards.

BFMthisA10

This is 100% NOT what is currently being taught, nor is it aligned with current ZW training publications and profiles.
If this technique was in vogue at some point previously, then I would agree: WTF!