Managing Training Risk/Thriving in ZW NH trng
#11
There are plenty of people here who got hired before 1500 hour rule came into play. Most with below 1000 hours and most with only piston twin time. Most had only 6 sims before a check ride. Age doesn’t matter, attitude and a willingness to learn does.
AWA is not perfect, but I have more confidence in the crew when I’m sitting in the back of a ZW aircraft (over any other regional) going into dicey weather.
AWA is not perfect, but I have more confidence in the crew when I’m sitting in the back of a ZW aircraft (over any other regional) going into dicey weather.
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#13
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Recent jet time and glass are certainly helpful, but not indicative of success or failure. I trained many pilots who succeeded coming from light piston singles or twins.
The ones who struggled regardless of flight experience were ones who had less than stellar IFR skills (scan) and lack of situational awareness and were unable to improve on their skill level.
As has been said many times. If you have a bad attitude and struggle, your time will be short. If you have a good attitude, you will usually find they will work with you to get you through. But you have to put in some effort, (most do) and show some progression. And have a little luck with the sim scheduling.
I flew with pilots who got 5-7 trips of IOE and got close to 100 hours before they were either signed off or let go. While there are certainly areas for improvement in the training, I thought it was fair and thorough.
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Half my class was in the 0 jet experience category. Out of that group, All the 61/141 only guys made it. There were a few 0 time jet guys in the 135 piston or turbo prop catagory. 3 out of 5 did not make it. The remaining half of the class - the jet guys were military, corporate, current or former 121. All made it.
So while that supports the narrative somewhat based on the perfect success rate of jet guys, and 3 busts on non jet guys, the busts were current 135 guys. Every single C172/light twin CFI/MEI made it yet some of the non jet 135 guys struggled. So if anything I don’t know if this one very small sample size proves anything. If awa was not good for non jet guys I would expect the CFIs to struggle the most, the 135 guys to do very well. So either this is too small a sample size, or the more likely senerio is that jet v non jet is not that important. I think it’s simple - attitude, work ethic, and solid instrument skills that best determines success.
They went from 10 sims to 13 for everyone last year and are still giving a few more after those 13 when needed. They use to only give 2 IOE trips back in the day. Now most take 3. And they are giving some up to 5 and even 6 trips. 100 hrs seems to be the limit so getting the 6th or more is not likely.
So while that supports the narrative somewhat based on the perfect success rate of jet guys, and 3 busts on non jet guys, the busts were current 135 guys. Every single C172/light twin CFI/MEI made it yet some of the non jet 135 guys struggled. So if anything I don’t know if this one very small sample size proves anything. If awa was not good for non jet guys I would expect the CFIs to struggle the most, the 135 guys to do very well. So either this is too small a sample size, or the more likely senerio is that jet v non jet is not that important. I think it’s simple - attitude, work ethic, and solid instrument skills that best determines success.
They went from 10 sims to 13 for everyone last year and are still giving a few more after those 13 when needed. They use to only give 2 IOE trips back in the day. Now most take 3. And they are giving some up to 5 and even 6 trips. 100 hrs seems to be the limit so getting the 6th or more is not likely.
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To tag on, I know a guy (VFR turbo prop experience) in my class got 18 sims before he was let go. Other non jet folks got 4-5 IOE trips, and are now signed off and on the line. You get out of it what you put in. Making blanket statements about any training dept. or the like is disingenuous. 1500 hr CFI’s made it just fine, biggest plane they had ever flown was a Seminole.
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Is it true that management is making another push to hire instructors off the street? That has potential to degrade the quality of training since I don't think they are going to get anywhere near the quality they got with the ex-comair guys.
#19
It takes time and consistent studying, but if you can follow directions and read all the material they provide you, you'll be fine.
Go spread your hate elsewhere.
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Current Air wis pilots list the failure rate as 50%.
For older pilots returning to flying, 100%.
Why go there, to waste time if you don't fit their mold?
Experienced jet pilots only, if you want training to be a non issue.
One FO I know there had only 3 of 11 get retained by the company.
For older pilots returning to flying, 100%.
Why go there, to waste time if you don't fit their mold?
Experienced jet pilots only, if you want training to be a non issue.
One FO I know there had only 3 of 11 get retained by the company.
On the other hand, if you have a bad attitude, lack integrity, believe that you know better than the instructors, do not work hard nor study, and then blame all of your shortcomings on everyone else but yourself, then yes, you will not make it.
My class had four drop out for one reason or another...they all had one or more of the negative traits I described above...the other 14 in my class made it through; most had zero jet experience!
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