Considering Air Wisconsin
04-24-2018, 01:15 PM
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Considering Air Wisconsin
Hey all!
I’m looking pretty heavily into Air Wisconsin. Just trying to get all the information and make the best decision. Currently a Metro pilot for a 135 operator with about 1000 hrs prior experience in a 91K. The earliest I could think about going to class would be November or so.
1- What are the chances of a new hire getting based in ORD?
2- How is the schedule? Pretty commuter friendly? I will be doing a 1 leg commute.
3- How long is the upgrade time?
4- If, for some odd reason, I’d opt to leave after my first year is complete, how much of the bonuses need to be paid back?
5- How long is the training timeline? I will need to complete the ATP-CTP course.
I apologize if these questions have been answered before. Just trying to decide if this is the right fit for me. Thank you!
I’m looking pretty heavily into Air Wisconsin. Just trying to get all the information and make the best decision. Currently a Metro pilot for a 135 operator with about 1000 hrs prior experience in a 91K. The earliest I could think about going to class would be November or so.
1- What are the chances of a new hire getting based in ORD?
2- How is the schedule? Pretty commuter friendly? I will be doing a 1 leg commute.
3- How long is the upgrade time?
4- If, for some odd reason, I’d opt to leave after my first year is complete, how much of the bonuses need to be paid back?
5- How long is the training timeline? I will need to complete the ATP-CTP course.
I apologize if these questions have been answered before. Just trying to decide if this is the right fit for me. Thank you!
04-24-2018, 03:41 PM
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1- What are the chances of a new hire getting based in ORD?
Good. You will probably do some time in Most junior reserve pilot in ORD was hired in March, which means they were awarded it before starting IOE. Most junior ORD line holder was hired in September of last year.
Most junior MKE line holder was hired in December.
Most junior IAD line holder was hired in May of 2017.
2- How is the schedule? Pretty commuter friendly? I will be doing a 1 leg commute.
Depends on the base and if you are on reserve. MKE schedules will not be commutable on at least one end. Most will not be commutable on either end. You might get lucky and be able to commute home on the last day of reserve, but you will most likely need to be in base the night prior.
3- How long is the upgrade time?
Nobody knows, too many variables. For somebody hired today it could be 16 months to 60 months. I believe it’s somewhere between 16-18 months, many others on here will tell you that is a pipe dream.
4- If, for some odd reason, I’d opt to leave after my first year is complete, how much of the bonuses need to be paid back?
All of it.
5- How long is the training timeline? I will need to complete the ATP-CTP course.
6 weeks for ATP-CTP/Indoc/Systems. 1 week for CPT. 2 weeks of sims. That assumes no sits or hiccups. It’s possible to go from sitting in class to IOE in 2 months, but 3-4 is probably a more realistic scenario. It took me 3.5 months.
Good. You will probably do some time in Most junior reserve pilot in ORD was hired in March, which means they were awarded it before starting IOE. Most junior ORD line holder was hired in September of last year.
Most junior MKE line holder was hired in December.
Most junior IAD line holder was hired in May of 2017.
2- How is the schedule? Pretty commuter friendly? I will be doing a 1 leg commute.
Depends on the base and if you are on reserve. MKE schedules will not be commutable on at least one end. Most will not be commutable on either end. You might get lucky and be able to commute home on the last day of reserve, but you will most likely need to be in base the night prior.
3- How long is the upgrade time?
Nobody knows, too many variables. For somebody hired today it could be 16 months to 60 months. I believe it’s somewhere between 16-18 months, many others on here will tell you that is a pipe dream.
4- If, for some odd reason, I’d opt to leave after my first year is complete, how much of the bonuses need to be paid back?
All of it.
5- How long is the training timeline? I will need to complete the ATP-CTP course.
6 weeks for ATP-CTP/Indoc/Systems. 1 week for CPT. 2 weeks of sims. That assumes no sits or hiccups. It’s possible to go from sitting in class to IOE in 2 months, but 3-4 is probably a more realistic scenario. It took me 3.5 months.
04-24-2018, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by T28driver
1- What are the chances of a new hire getting based in ORD?
Good. You will probably do some time in Most junior reserve pilot in ORD was hired in March, which means they were awarded it before starting IOE. Most junior ORD line holder was hired in September of last year.
Most junior MKE line holder was hired in December.
Most junior IAD line holder was hired in May of 2017.
2- How is the schedule? Pretty commuter friendly? I will be doing a 1 leg commute.
Depends on the base and if you are on reserve. MKE schedules will not be commutable on at least one end. Most will not be commutable on either end. You might get lucky and be able to commute home on the last day of reserve, but you will most likely need to be in base the night prior.
3- How long is the upgrade time?
Nobody knows, too many variables. For somebody hired today it could be 16 months to 60 months. I believe it’s somewhere between 16-18 months, many others on here will tell you that is a pipe dream.
4- If, for some odd reason, I’d opt to leave after my first year is complete, how much of the bonuses need to be paid back?
All of it.
5- How long is the training timeline? I will need to complete the ATP-CTP course.
6 weeks for ATP-CTP/Indoc/Systems. 1 week for CPT. 2 weeks of sims. That assumes no sits or hiccups. It’s possible to go from sitting in class to IOE in 2 months, but 3-4 is probably a more realistic scenario. It took me 3.5 months.
Good. You will probably do some time in Most junior reserve pilot in ORD was hired in March, which means they were awarded it before starting IOE. Most junior ORD line holder was hired in September of last year.
Most junior MKE line holder was hired in December.
Most junior IAD line holder was hired in May of 2017.
2- How is the schedule? Pretty commuter friendly? I will be doing a 1 leg commute.
Depends on the base and if you are on reserve. MKE schedules will not be commutable on at least one end. Most will not be commutable on either end. You might get lucky and be able to commute home on the last day of reserve, but you will most likely need to be in base the night prior.
3- How long is the upgrade time?
Nobody knows, too many variables. For somebody hired today it could be 16 months to 60 months. I believe it’s somewhere between 16-18 months, many others on here will tell you that is a pipe dream.
4- If, for some odd reason, I’d opt to leave after my first year is complete, how much of the bonuses need to be paid back?
All of it.
5- How long is the training timeline? I will need to complete the ATP-CTP course.
6 weeks for ATP-CTP/Indoc/Systems. 1 week for CPT. 2 weeks of sims. That assumes no sits or hiccups. It’s possible to go from sitting in class to IOE in 2 months, but 3-4 is probably a more realistic scenario. It took me 3.5 months.
04-24-2018, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CAsFiled
I'd concur with all of this, especially the likely 3-4 months from start of class to IOE. If you're not sure how long you'll be here, you can always choose to defer your bonuses until they're earned. The larger chunk of bonuses would then be payable in 12 monthly installments starting with month 13. This could keep you in the clear regarding repaying bonuses.
You can set the new hire bonus up so it’s paid monthly to you so you don’t need to pay any of it back if you leave within the first 24 months AFTER finishing IOE. You earn it each of the 24 months after IOE.
04-24-2018, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CAsFiled
I'd concur with all of this, especially the likely 3-4 months from start of class to IOE. If you're not sure how long you'll be here, you can always choose to defer your bonuses until they're earned. The larger chunk of bonuses would then be payable in 12 monthly installments starting with month 13. This could keep you in the clear regarding repaying bonuses.
Very few people finish after only 9sims and a checkride.
05-05-2018, 03:27 AM
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[You can set the new hire bonus up so it’s paid monthly to you ]
This is probably better for your cash flow. Since taxes are deducted according to a mindless chart, your bonuses will be over-taxed when paid (if you are given a $20,000 check in a given week, the tax chart tells accounting to deduct taxes from it as though you earn $20,000 every week). You'll then get some of that back when you do your taxes at the end of the year (although you'll get back less than you think because they will have been under-deducting on your regular pay all year once the bonus money kicks you up a bracket). By taking the bonuses as they are earned, you'll smooth out the deductions and also eliminate the obligation to work in the future because of money received in the past.
This is probably better for your cash flow. Since taxes are deducted according to a mindless chart, your bonuses will be over-taxed when paid (if you are given a $20,000 check in a given week, the tax chart tells accounting to deduct taxes from it as though you earn $20,000 every week). You'll then get some of that back when you do your taxes at the end of the year (although you'll get back less than you think because they will have been under-deducting on your regular pay all year once the bonus money kicks you up a bracket). By taking the bonuses as they are earned, you'll smooth out the deductions and also eliminate the obligation to work in the future because of money received in the past.
05-05-2018, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by injun21
You can set the new hire bonus up so it’s paid monthly to you so you don’t need to pay any of it back if you leave within the first 24 months AFTER finishing IOE. You earn it each of the 24 months after IOE.
1. Leave before a year and pay it all back (26k).
2. Leave after a full year and your repayment is reduced by 3k per month until you owe nothing at the end of your 2nd year (36k total over 12 months).
There was an option to defer the bonus for a year but that didn’t change the repayment terms at all.
Maybe things changed but there is a lot of inconsistency in this forum on this topic and I would hate for someone to come here only to find the terms are not acceptable for whatever reason.
05-05-2018, 07:30 AM
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You can defer the 5k, or the 26/10K, or both. If you do it pays out after you would no longer owe it back if you left. So 5K pays after first year (I think) and it’s yours to keep. The 26 plus 10 pays 3K per month from month 13-24. Again you get it as it’s “vested” so each 3K is yours to keep.
Defering, as I see it, has two advantages. Tax savings by spreading bonuses out over two tax years, and leaves the door open to leave before 24 months if you get a better option. Seems like a good option for the military folks that tend to get picked up faster.
Defering, as I see it, has two advantages. Tax savings by spreading bonuses out over two tax years, and leaves the door open to leave before 24 months if you get a better option. Seems like a good option for the military folks that tend to get picked up faster.
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