rxsanche

Looking to dive deep into what Air Wisconsin advertises as
"A commuter friendly airline"
1. Are the commuter clause protections for attempt to meet trip by listing by say 2 flights?

2. What priority do Air Wisconsin pilots commuting have on United? How does affect commuters overall getting to/from base?

3. How does the minimum 12 days off work on your schedules? 4 on 3 off type of deal?

I read lots of posts here about company Junior manning and abuses on extensions on days off? No long reserves but lots of short call making it extremely difficult for commuters to go home and show up in time to meet their flights
The former contradict a commuter friendly culture.

Please constructively elaborate on the points referenced above.

Thank you

toolowterrain

Side note: I recently left to an LCC. That’s s how it worked in my 8 years there, but others can chime in.

Also, you seem to be all worked up about this commuting thing. Commuter friendly means that as long as you follow whatever rules are set you won’t get in trouble. It doesn’t mean you will get at Monday-Thursday Schedule starting at 5pm and finishing at 11am on the last day with a confirmed seat to/from work and 100% pay for whatever flying you miss as a newhire.

The truth is thay commutting sucks no matter what, and its inevitable that you will loose some off days on either side due to crappy schedules.

Move to a base, find an airline where you can drive to work, or maybe it’s not the right industry for you. Just don’t expect a cake lifestyle as a commuter. I’ve been doing it for almost a decade.

At least we get a rare opportunity to live where we want which most careers don’t. Everything comes with a sacrifice.

pilottim

Let’s say you are junior and this month you work the last 5 days of the month. Next month you work the first 5 because thats the line you got. They will adjust it to be 117 legal but you might end up with 5 on- 1 off- 4 on.

You actually get two days off. Integration is the last 3 days of the month and the first four days of the next month. If they can drop one day adjacent to an already scheduled day off to make you legal they will do that. In the example above where you are scheduled for 10 days, they would be required to drop two days.

The contract states: “When the Company is required to drop an entire day of flying during the integration to comply with FAR and/or contract limitations, the Company will not alter the pilot's schedule in manner that results in a single day off.”

stroopwaffle

The company can’t make you have 1 day off from them manipulating schedules, but you can bid yourself during integration into (4 on)(1 off)(4 on) and they won’t give you a second day off as long as it’s legal.

toolowterrain

Correct. Many times I had a reserve line working the 28,29,30,31st followed by another reserve line working the 2,3,4,5th, etc. The only thing they will do is watch the 30/168 but nothing else. But like I said that’s not just an Air Wisc thing. Happens at my new place too.

Islanderpilot

If 12 days on is the minimum, is there a maximum days off. I was told during the interview that you can get as much as 16 days off.

Additionally, I was also told that this happens during certain months.

RabidW0mbat

It's actually 12 days off minimum.

Islanderpilot

Sorry about that, I mean 12 days off.

Islanderpilot

Is there a training contract for new hires?

Would the bonus $5K for the ATP CTP and the $26K be a pretext to a contract of 1 or 2 years?

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