Fork in the road...
08-05-2018, 08:46 AM
#1
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Fork in the road...
Ok, so that email was depressing.
We can't get paid more? Well, you better get to work on a restructure of that turd of a TA to fully increase our QOL. Morale is at an all time low. For retaining junior pilots and hiring new pilots they need to see AWAC as a "good" regional to work for. My thoughts as a commuter, and only off the top of my head.
-No more junior mans or involuntary extensions into a day off while on a trip. Period. They can make it MY choice to take.
-No more CDO's, or for the fools that like them put a mileage cap so they are short (not like the PHL-MKE CDO's)
-More pilot leverage with schedule swaps.
-Obviously reserve rules need some changes, because upgrade bypassers will keep new captains on reserve longer.
-No more (or significantly reduced) early start/late finish trips. Most people here commute, they could easily make schedules commutable and the pilot group would be instantly happy and possibly more willing to go to outstation bases.
-Bring back the stroopwaffles!
We can't get paid more? Well, you better get to work on a restructure of that turd of a TA to fully increase our QOL. Morale is at an all time low. For retaining junior pilots and hiring new pilots they need to see AWAC as a "good" regional to work for. My thoughts as a commuter, and only off the top of my head.
-No more junior mans or involuntary extensions into a day off while on a trip. Period. They can make it MY choice to take.
-No more CDO's, or for the fools that like them put a mileage cap so they are short (not like the PHL-MKE CDO's)
-More pilot leverage with schedule swaps.
-Obviously reserve rules need some changes, because upgrade bypassers will keep new captains on reserve longer.
-No more (or significantly reduced) early start/late finish trips. Most people here commute, they could easily make schedules commutable and the pilot group would be instantly happy and possibly more willing to go to outstation bases.
-Bring back the stroopwaffles!
08-05-2018, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by stroopwaffle
Ok, so that email was depressing.
We can't get paid more? Well, you better get to work on a restructure of that turd of a TA to fully increase our QOL. Morale is at an all time low. For retaining junior pilots and hiring new pilots they need to see AWAC as a "good" regional to work for. My thoughts as a commuter, and only off the top of my head.
-No more junior mans or involuntary extensions into a day off while on a trip. Period. They can make it MY choice to take.
-No more CDO's, or for the fools that like them put a mileage cap so they are short (not like the PHL-MKE CDO's)
-More pilot leverage with schedule swaps.
-Obviously reserve rules need some changes, because upgrade bypassers will keep new captains on reserve longer.
-No more (or significantly reduced) early start/late finish trips. Most people here commute, they could easily make schedules commutable and the pilot group would be instantly happy and possibly more willing to go to outstation bases.
-Bring back the stroopwaffles!
We can't get paid more? Well, you better get to work on a restructure of that turd of a TA to fully increase our QOL. Morale is at an all time low. For retaining junior pilots and hiring new pilots they need to see AWAC as a "good" regional to work for. My thoughts as a commuter, and only off the top of my head.
-No more junior mans or involuntary extensions into a day off while on a trip. Period. They can make it MY choice to take.
-No more CDO's, or for the fools that like them put a mileage cap so they are short (not like the PHL-MKE CDO's)
-More pilot leverage with schedule swaps.
-Obviously reserve rules need some changes, because upgrade bypassers will keep new captains on reserve longer.
-No more (or significantly reduced) early start/late finish trips. Most people here commute, they could easily make schedules commutable and the pilot group would be instantly happy and possibly more willing to go to outstation bases.
-Bring back the stroopwaffles!
08-05-2018, 02:26 PM
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 417
Originally Posted by stroopwaffle
Ok, so that email was depressing.
We can't get paid more? Well, you better get to work on a restructure of that turd of a TA to fully increase our QOL. Morale is at an all time low. For retaining junior pilots and hiring new pilots they need to see AWAC as a "good" regional to work for. My thoughts as a commuter, and only off the top of my head.
-No more junior mans or involuntary extensions into a day off while on a trip. Period. They can make it MY choice to take.
-No more CDO's, or for the fools that like them put a mileage cap so they are short (not like the PHL-MKE CDO's)
-More pilot leverage with schedule swaps.
-Obviously reserve rules need some changes, because upgrade bypassers will keep new captains on reserve longer.
-No more (or significantly reduced) early start/late finish trips. Most people here commute, they could easily make schedules commutable and the pilot group would be instantly happy and possibly more willing to go to outstation bases.
-Bring back the stroopwaffles!
We can't get paid more? Well, you better get to work on a restructure of that turd of a TA to fully increase our QOL. Morale is at an all time low. For retaining junior pilots and hiring new pilots they need to see AWAC as a "good" regional to work for. My thoughts as a commuter, and only off the top of my head.
-No more junior mans or involuntary extensions into a day off while on a trip. Period. They can make it MY choice to take.
-No more CDO's, or for the fools that like them put a mileage cap so they are short (not like the PHL-MKE CDO's)
-More pilot leverage with schedule swaps.
-Obviously reserve rules need some changes, because upgrade bypassers will keep new captains on reserve longer.
-No more (or significantly reduced) early start/late finish trips. Most people here commute, they could easily make schedules commutable and the pilot group would be instantly happy and possibly more willing to go to outstation bases.
-Bring back the stroopwaffles!
08-06-2018, 08:51 AM
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
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“We have no more money to give you” That’s fine with me, but stop throwing $2000 a month into my health insurance I don’t want, convert that in to the pay and give us the option for a lower cost healthcare. There is no doubt the contract has lots of money in it, it’s just set up to attract older applicants in poor health that have no desire to go a major. I guess that’s how they want and like it.
08-06-2018, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5
“We have no more money to give you” That’s fine with me, but stop throwing $2000 a month into my health insurance I don’t want, convert that in to the pay and give us the option for a lower cost healthcare. There is no doubt the contract has lots of money in it, it’s just set up to attract older applicants in poor health that have no desire to go a major. I guess that’s how they want and like it.
Its been said multiple times the vast majority of our pilot group is signifigantly overinsured based on current coverage. Rather have the cash as well.
08-06-2018, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bscott58d
Mind elaborating on the email you reference?
The TA has value of a+b+c+d=X
We can change a to f, and c to q, but it all has to equal X.
Ok... So lets get to work to modify this TA to have the most QOL as possible, addressing the points I have put, and whatever else we want that will increase QOL if we can't increase pay. We are in a tight spot because the outcome was split 50/50 so the leverage we had is gone (probably started with the retention bonuses of 2016)
Looking forward to the ALPA survey
08-06-2018, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by stroopwaffle
Email from the union boiled down to "We (union and company) cant give you any more than what is on this contract, but it may be possible to restructure the current TA"
The TA has value of a+b+c+d=X
We can change a to f, and c to q, but it all has to equal X.
Ok... So lets get to work to modify this TA to have the most QOL as possible, addressing the points I have put, and whatever else we want that will increase QOL if we can't increase pay. We are in a tight spot because the outcome was split 50/50 so the leverage we had is gone (probably started with the retention bonuses of 2016)
Looking forward to the ALPA survey
The TA has value of a+b+c+d=X
We can change a to f, and c to q, but it all has to equal X.
Ok... So lets get to work to modify this TA to have the most QOL as possible, addressing the points I have put, and whatever else we want that will increase QOL if we can't increase pay. We are in a tight spot because the outcome was split 50/50 so the leverage we had is gone (probably started with the retention bonuses of 2016)
Looking forward to the ALPA survey
08-06-2018, 04:29 PM
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Posts: 1,291
Originally Posted by havick206
If the company underbid a contract without foresight of current market conditions then they’re dumbasses. I’m not in your shoes but I’d let them burn for being so shortsighted or plain stupid.
We definitely need new management, someone who thinks outside the box and can correctly position this company for growth .These people obviously can’t do it.
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