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Day4mx 12-09-2018 11:56 AM

305 captains
 
So...the union is happy with the grievance process working? The company intentionally violated the contract for years. No back pay. No monetary award. Nothing. And the union is happy with this settlement? I sat at the top of the fo list for 2+ years when i should have been in that 305 and im getting nothing?! Costing me over $100k. The only thing this nutless union is good for is putting a positive spin on everything.

DarkSideMoon 12-09-2018 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Day4mx (Post 2722134)
So...the union is happy with the grievance process working? The company intentionally violated the contract for years. No back pay. No monetary award. Nothing. And the union is happy with this settlement? I sat at the top of the fo list for 2+ years when i should have been in that 305 and im getting nothing?! Costing me over $100k. The only thing this nutless union is good for is putting a positive spin on everything.

I’m happy that the company is no longer allowed to get away with it, but I agree that it’s hardly a huge win.

This whole thing shows me that A. The company doesn’t give a flying **** about the contract. B. The company will continue to willfully violate the contract because it’ll take at least two years for the grievance process to take place and will result in no monetary penalties.

Just something to keep in mind for future TA’s. Without ironclad language in all the sections we’ve left ambiguous it will be a no vote from me. The company can’t be trusted to interpret the contract in a fair way so we must bargain for a TA with clear definitions and clear punishments for violations.

diverdriver2 12-09-2018 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Day4mx (Post 2722134)
So...the union is happy with the grievance process working? The company intentionally violated the contract for years. No back pay. No monetary award. Nothing. And the union is happy with this settlement? I sat at the top of the fo list for 2+ years when i should have been in that 305 and im getting nothing?! Costing me over $100k. The only thing this nutless union is good for is putting a positive spin on everything.

Odd. The union WON a grievance on upgrade bypass due to FOM required PIC to be a jet CA at AWAC (somewhere around the 2001 era). There was no guarantee of upgrade success then but pilots were paid out. That set precedence and they didn't use it?

Day4mx 12-09-2018 09:40 PM

The union celebrates a win while that piece of **** frisch laughs all the way home.

SideFlare 12-09-2018 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by Day4mx (Post 2722377)
The union celebrates a win while that piece of **** frisch laughs all the way home.

Bobby Fresh is still VP of Ops over there? One would’ve thought that the #MeToo movement would’ve snared him by now. Jesus... What a turd.

*I don’t support the MeToo movement, I simply dislike B. Fresh that much.

Junkyard Dog 12-11-2018 04:40 AM

Our union leadership sucks
We won nothing as the company got away with having less than 305 CAs. They willingly and knowingly violate the contract.
Remember the pay protected FOs who couldn’t upgrade due to an FO shortage? They were pay protected for a little over a year when the contract clearly states they have 120 days to get them into training.
Or the grievance about LCAs bidding FO lines first? Nothing became of that either. As long as we have guys like KN as MEC chair, nothing will get done. And this rate, what’s the point of having a union when they don’t do anything to fight for the pilots they represent?
We need better reps in position to fight battles and not be so passive.

Greensideup 12-11-2018 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by Day4mx (Post 2722134)
So...the union is happy with the grievance process working? The company intentionally violated the contract for years. No back pay. No monetary award. Nothing. And the union is happy with this settlement? I sat at the top of the fo list for 2+ years when i should have been in that 305 and im getting nothing?! Costing me over $100k. The only thing this nutless union is good for is putting a positive spin on everything.

Haha nutless! The entire settlement is bull**** because we get NOTHING! easily could prove monetary losses, especially if you are a captain now, they wouldn’t have the argument “well we can’t prove who is owed what because people could fail training”

Greensideup 12-11-2018 09:31 PM

Taking the FPL and resume building, that’s the union at the regional level.

pitchtrim 12-12-2018 10:30 AM

Anyone know the exact number of captains required to hit 305?

DarkSideMoon 12-12-2018 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by pitchtrim (Post 2723878)
Anyone know the exact number of captains required to hit 305?

My rough math says something like 50 new captain vacancies, obviously attrition factors in as to how many actually upgrade.


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