Ita amazing how much the interviews have changed. Back in the early 2000s, interviews were real with tough questions asked and people frequently not hired. Now, it’s baby questions and everyone gets the job. Scary actually.

Darn, new hire pilots don’t know the difference between advection fog and radiation fog, or class E VFR minimums at night over 10,000ft. Planes will fall out of the sky.

Unless the interview has vastly changed recently they’re still asking the important stuff (read notams, explain when you need an alternate, when can you descend below minimums, etc).

CAE is our junior base. You’ll get it.


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It wouldn't matter. Only about 20% of every class will make it through IOE (even with additional OE trips and additional sim training).

People do get weeded out through training but 20% is a bit low I think. My class had 18 to begin and 13 made it through everything. Only 4 made it through without any retraining (ie. extra tests, sims, IOE trips)

I’d like to see quantifiable numbers there. Of my class of 11, 6 of us are still here, 4 left in sims for personal reasons, and 1 person failed in sims (said person was also up to like 17/18 sims at that point too). In ground, we only had 1 person who had to retake a test (same person who failed out in sims). I got through CPT / Sims in the footprint allotted, and was signed off of IOE after 2 trips. This job isn’t rocking science, but this company also won’t hand you an ATP and a line. It takes hard work to get through training. It really feels like those of you complaining need to take a hard look in the mirror.

How many people hired this year have made it to the line so far? I went through the last bid packet along with vacancy’s for this year and I can count on one hand the amount of people that have a number next to their name eligible to bid. Right now there are over 70 people in initial training that have completed systems yet not done with training. That’s tons of people stuck in the pipeline for an airline with a seniority list of only 570ish pilots. Just shows the pure incompetence of the training department.

It’s been a few years since I’ve been there but are the only folks making it through the ones who get a certain check airman that talks about motor cycles the entire time and takes hour long phone calls after showing up 15 late? When i went though everyone who was failing were folks who didn’t cover to cover have the iac memorized. I feel lucky I had the mentioned check airman above.

It’s a different atmosphere today. Plus the pilots being hired are a different type. AWAC has hired pilots who haven’t flown in a while and sometimes it takes time to knock the rust off. When I got on in 2001, we had experienced and seasoned pilots in my class. We got done with IOE in either 25 hours or two trips as new hires. I can’t recall if anyone needing or getting an extra trip besides one who got sick during their second trip. And the company just merely scheduled him for a third trip and he was done.
Also our class worked our asses off studying and preparing. Sure I came over prepared. But it was better than being under prepared. The LCAs were all pretty cool people and we willing to go out of their way to help and do everything they can to sign off pilots.
But it’s a different time now and either those LCAs are no longer at AWAC and the one or two are no longer LCAs.