Air Wisconsin still a good choice?
06-06-2019, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
Show up, have a good attitude, study the systems sections they tell you to study, practice flows, profiles, and callouts with a buddy. Have your flows and profiles down cold before day one of CPT, and practice each night with your partner. Have a good attitude. Make sure you have memory items and limitations cold before sim. Have a good attitude.
06-06-2019, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr strangepork
Think carefully about that decision. Air Wisconsin is back to doing the stuff they did to people a few years back not that they ever stopped I would say don’t take the bonus and find another employer to go with unless you like low training pay and being washed out of training for no apparent reason there is a lot of shady crap that goes on with that company and they try and scare people not to post on here if you do they will come after you for libel and slander. Oh well.
The people and crews are great to work with but I wouldn’t trust management PERIOD.
The people and crews are great to work with but I wouldn’t trust management PERIOD.
The training department is crap, MX is stick-it and kick it, management beyond is clueless. Having a line only guarantees when the trip will start...not when it will ever end. Remember kids, intimidation and anger are MGT SOP.
06-06-2019, 06:15 AM
#23
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I’m not at Whiskey but I can provide perhaps some insight from having flown CRJs and being a commuter for the past several years.
My take: I think given the choice between living in base flying 200’s all summer and a short/easy commute to fly 7/900s I’d take the 7/900s. I just left a base where I was about #20 to go to a base where I am like #150 for this very reason. Every single actual emergency I’ve ever had has been in a 200. They’re hot. They break a lot. They have a lot of operational idiosyncrasies. Of course if you go to Whiskey it’s all you’ll know so it won’t matter as you have nothing to compare it with. And it has nothing to do with not wanting to fly a 50-seater. I don’t care what I fly, but given the choice I’d pick being comfortable and cool at work and not having to mess around with winter ops in the 200 etc etc...
CLT is PSA’s most senior base, but you’ll build flight time quickly. Even on reserve. Worst case scenario you drive there if the commute on company metal (this is a big deal believe it or not) isn’t looking great. DCA is also an option for you and is very commutable from CAE.
Whiskey is a good company. Really great pilot group. A good friend of mine recently moved on from there to United and had nothing but great things to say. But I do think the future is less certain than other options. Not in the sense that you won’t have a job, because pilots are a real commodity nowadays and no management will just be willing to let a bunch hit the street. But as was mentioned above bases, especially small outstation bases are never a sure thing with a contract regional.
My take: I think given the choice between living in base flying 200’s all summer and a short/easy commute to fly 7/900s I’d take the 7/900s. I just left a base where I was about #20 to go to a base where I am like #150 for this very reason. Every single actual emergency I’ve ever had has been in a 200. They’re hot. They break a lot. They have a lot of operational idiosyncrasies. Of course if you go to Whiskey it’s all you’ll know so it won’t matter as you have nothing to compare it with. And it has nothing to do with not wanting to fly a 50-seater. I don’t care what I fly, but given the choice I’d pick being comfortable and cool at work and not having to mess around with winter ops in the 200 etc etc...
CLT is PSA’s most senior base, but you’ll build flight time quickly. Even on reserve. Worst case scenario you drive there if the commute on company metal (this is a big deal believe it or not) isn’t looking great. DCA is also an option for you and is very commutable from CAE.
Whiskey is a good company. Really great pilot group. A good friend of mine recently moved on from there to United and had nothing but great things to say. But I do think the future is less certain than other options. Not in the sense that you won’t have a job, because pilots are a real commodity nowadays and no management will just be willing to let a bunch hit the street. But as was mentioned above bases, especially small outstation bases are never a sure thing with a contract regional.
06-06-2019, 07:00 AM
#24
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Air Wisconsin
Hey, I'm getting my CFI now and my inlaws live in columbia, where are you doing survey work? was it worth it? Better than CFI? I just got an internship with United so i'm going to do that in the fall then look at my options. I was happy to see the CAE base too
Originally Posted by TacticalMoose
Hey all. Longtime lurker here in the homestretch of ATP hour-building. I’m projecting to have my hours by the end of summer/early fall and am preparing to submit applications and start interviewing. I’m curious what your opinions are of coming to Air Wisconsin at this point.
My situation is that my wife got a job offer in Columbia, SC last year and we moved down here for her work. I was able to switch from my CFI job to a commutable survey gig and moved with her. We now own a house here and will be living here for at least the next 5-10 years. Ever since Air Wisconsin announced their CAE base opening up it seemed like a clear choice against my other options. PSA has CLT but would take a bit of time to get based at and a lot longer to hold a line. Same story with Endeavor and ATL. Nothing else is all that commutable with only one or two flights a day from CAE to all other destinations (except 3 to ORD).
I’m 31 years old and prior-enlisted military so kind of an early career changer. No kids and I’m trying to advance my career as fast as possible right now. The thought of living in base and being able to build hours and upgrade quicker makes Air Wisconsin seem like a pretty solid bet. My only concern is some of the negative discussion I’ve seen (as well as PSA’s recent pay increase) which have made me wonder if choosing Air Wisconsin simply for the CAE base is the right move. The hiring of Binns as CEO appeared to not be the best news and I know that outstation bases in this industry can come and go with little warning.
I’m aware the future is impossible to predict, especially when it comes to regionals. I’m simply wondering what some of you would do in my shoes if you wouldn’t mind chiming in. Thanks a lot for any advice, opinions, or wisdom. It’s greatly appreciated.
My situation is that my wife got a job offer in Columbia, SC last year and we moved down here for her work. I was able to switch from my CFI job to a commutable survey gig and moved with her. We now own a house here and will be living here for at least the next 5-10 years. Ever since Air Wisconsin announced their CAE base opening up it seemed like a clear choice against my other options. PSA has CLT but would take a bit of time to get based at and a lot longer to hold a line. Same story with Endeavor and ATL. Nothing else is all that commutable with only one or two flights a day from CAE to all other destinations (except 3 to ORD).
I’m 31 years old and prior-enlisted military so kind of an early career changer. No kids and I’m trying to advance my career as fast as possible right now. The thought of living in base and being able to build hours and upgrade quicker makes Air Wisconsin seem like a pretty solid bet. My only concern is some of the negative discussion I’ve seen (as well as PSA’s recent pay increase) which have made me wonder if choosing Air Wisconsin simply for the CAE base is the right move. The hiring of Binns as CEO appeared to not be the best news and I know that outstation bases in this industry can come and go with little warning.
I’m aware the future is impossible to predict, especially when it comes to regionals. I’m simply wondering what some of you would do in my shoes if you wouldn’t mind chiming in. Thanks a lot for any advice, opinions, or wisdom. It’s greatly appreciated.
06-06-2019, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AZwiz
Can you tell me what the completion standards are? There is absolutely no syllabus or course outline for training. You're at the whim of the instructor. God forbid, you have to switch instructors in the middle of your course. Zero guidance would be more than this place provides.
06-06-2019, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
CPT has a well-defined Syllabus with daily completion standards that is available to new hires and is stressed multiple times during indoc and ground. You can know on day one of indoc what the completion standards for each day of CPT are. I'm not going to post documents online publicly.
06-06-2019, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AZwiz
And it's all developed by a couple of instructors, not approved by the fed and has zero bearing on how you'll do. It's nothing more than a guideline with zero legal weight.
Don’t pee in your Cheerios folks...leaves a bad taste.
06-06-2019, 01:15 PM
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Air Wisconsin still a good choice?
If I can get through training, then anyone else can as well.
Just come in with a good attitude and lots of enthusiasm. And by all means, come prepared. Nothing ****es an instructor off more than coming into a lesson unprepared. Then, you’re wasting their valuable time.
Study! Know your flows, memory items, call outs, profiles and limitations and that’s 90% of the battle. Don’t come in with a know it all attitude and by all means, if you flew the CRJ at another carrier, nobody wants to hear, when I was at such and such airline, we did it this way. You’re no longer at such and such airline.
Trust me, a good attitude will get you far and if you’re having trouble, they’ll work with you.
I once had a baseball coach tell me a bad attitude is like a flat tire. Until you change it, you won’t go very far.
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Just come in with a good attitude and lots of enthusiasm. And by all means, come prepared. Nothing ****es an instructor off more than coming into a lesson unprepared. Then, you’re wasting their valuable time.
Study! Know your flows, memory items, call outs, profiles and limitations and that’s 90% of the battle. Don’t come in with a know it all attitude and by all means, if you flew the CRJ at another carrier, nobody wants to hear, when I was at such and such airline, we did it this way. You’re no longer at such and such airline.
Trust me, a good attitude will get you far and if you’re having trouble, they’ll work with you.
I once had a baseball coach tell me a bad attitude is like a flat tire. Until you change it, you won’t go very far.
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06-06-2019, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat
Wow, somebody is having a case of the Monday’s. Completion standards were clearly laid out for all students...sounds like someone struggled and wants to shift blame.
Don’t pee in your Cheerios folks...leaves a bad taste.
Don’t pee in your Cheerios folks...leaves a bad taste.
Last edited by Turnamdburn200; 06-06-2019 at 01:59 PM.
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