Roverruckus

I thought CPT was pretty laid-back and easy. They tell you want to know before you show up. It's not a whole lot of information, and a lot of stuff you can kind of fudge. As long as those call outs and flows are down cold, you are probably going to be sent through to sims. I think we had extra time left after every session when I did it. If somebody is having that much trouble where you can't complete it in one or even two attempts I'm not sure I want that person in my right seat.

Turnamdburn200

It’s not hard if you can memorize the flows and Callouts and have a lot of imagination. (Things happen faster in cpt with zero visual cue compared to the sim) (it takes 45 seconds to a minute or so for the real thing to go from “set thrust” to 1000’ but in cpt it happens in 15 seconds. when I went through I met a captain upgrade going through with a new hire at the bar and he was saying that it’s much harder now and there is a lot more to it than when he went through as a new hire. He said it’s a lot more organized with more completion standards.

It’s not hard but I can see why many have issues with it

Dr strangepork

The DEFENDERS are on here today! I do agree that you must put in the effort to pass CPT at any airline. Myself and the others guys did just that and those guys were still WASHED OUT. I was let go for complaining to the union who told me at that time the same thing I was going through with them was happening to other pilots as well and I was advised to look at what is happening then take a course of action which looks out for your best interest.

CPT is self study, and while they give you those flow sheets, first flight of the day test, there is a lot they don’t tell you and from day one you must conduct the flight like you been there for years. Your expected to know and recite VERBATIM ALL the first flight of the day test all warnings Eicas indications what mode your in and when your mode jumps the fence during all phases of flight on your fcp (autopilot) etc. all while using not an interactive touch screen but a paper tiger so you can actually see what’s going on when you do this. OK- cool, Air Wisconsin game, we play it, even though the FAA guidance on this is not to rely on memory alone for these test and configurations.

That’s their way of doing it, fine. I know what I signed up for. My issue /problem is management and how they have treated me and others. I won’t make excuses if someone washes out because they didn’t study or prepare, but at the same time I witnessed some one complete systems, and was called 2 days later for CPT. Did he make it through?
Nope. The standards are not lowered, the instructor felt sorry for him but oh well. Does there need to be a fundamental change in the way CPT is taught and administered? Yep. I think PSA has done a great job on this.
Does management need to weed out the immature ones in position of power there who will seek to retaliate against someone with a legitimate grievance by withholding pay, removing them from the flying schedule, putting them on a medical leave without the personal family physician consent? Washing people out for whatever reason and ( I have heard some horror stories)then demand you pay back their pay day loan, oh sorry 5k bonus after their unfair practices? Yep

Do they need to pay people a living wage during training, tell them they are no longer positive spaced after systems and they will only get you to your base and afterwards your own your own? Yep.

So like The union told me and others, if you have experienced the dark side of Air Wisconsin, the only way to effect change is to pursue your options. You can go to a different airline, or contact various legal entities to enforce your rights, like the US dept of labor or your own states’ labor board, EEOC, they also handle age discrimination claims, not just race, and other vehicles to convey your displeasure. Don’t sign away your rights to unemployment by resigning and if they tell you that if you resign it won’t go on your record, that’s a lie. It will, and you will be listed as a failure to complete training. Don’t cut them any breaks, hell did they do it for you?

To those about to enter CPT my word of advice:
Yes study the flows profiles, call outs and first flight of the day test know it verbatim-they then go to the FOM, and see how a flight is conducted from acceptance checklist preflight etc. This is how CPT goes and you WILL be tested on this during CPT.

If you feel you were not treated fairly by an instructor - document everything because the wash is coming. If they want to threaten you with termination if you don’t resign preserve your rights. You resign, well legally, you might be up a creek. Ok everyone take care✌️✌️

DarkSideMoon

“Organized and completion standards” make it easier. You should know exactly what’s expected of you and failing or passing shouldn’t be a surprise then.

StrykerB21

There are other airlines out there. Go somewhere else thats not so hard.

Turnamdburn200

Just remember, the standards for the check-ride and tasks that must be completed are set by the FAA. The completion standards are similar for all regionals, the only difference is the process to get people to the checkride. Just imagine having 2 flight schools side by side on the same airport, one gets students a private license in 42 hours on average with less than 10% washout. The second takes 65 hours and has a 50% completion. Both use the same DPEs. Something is seriously wrong at school number 2 in how they train. This is Air Wisconsin right now. It has nothing to do with the material being taught but rather how it’s taught.

DarkSideMoon

I'd be more interested in the quality of pilot coming out of both schools before I made a judgement.

StrykerB21

Have you been through another regionals training program?

StrykerB21

Absolutely.

RabidW0mbat

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