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04-03-2020, 12:45 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by RAHkid94
They appeared on relief lines, and they are supposed to assign open time trips to them as soon as they become available so under normal staffing it’s essentially a surprise line that can occasionally be converted to SC.
except for all the concessions but sure. Reduced furlough pay and getting rid of OE pay, among other things. Hope it was worth it for the occasional hotel for fraction of the pilot group.
except for all the concessions but sure. Reduced furlough pay and getting rid of OE pay, among other things. Hope it was worth it for the occasional hotel for fraction of the pilot group.
04-03-2020, 12:47 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Omnislash
Selective reading like most of the keyboard warriors on here. Tell me a time where the company wouldn't cite:
2. If the furlough is caused by an event beyond the control of the Company (as
provided in this subsection) such as an act of God, emergency AD, ATC
shutdown, or wildcat strike, the Company will not be required to give twenty-one
(21) days’ notice or pay in lieu thereof as set out in paragraph B.1. above.
With that, it doesn't matter if it says 21 days or 30 days!
As for the "loss of OE pay" that was just rumors that started on this forum (now continued by you) and it has been confirmed that OE is paid out properly like it always was before.
2. If the furlough is caused by an event beyond the control of the Company (as
provided in this subsection) such as an act of God, emergency AD, ATC
shutdown, or wildcat strike, the Company will not be required to give twenty-one
(21) days’ notice or pay in lieu thereof as set out in paragraph B.1. above.
With that, it doesn't matter if it says 21 days or 30 days!
As for the "loss of OE pay" that was just rumors that started on this forum (now continued by you) and it has been confirmed that OE is paid out properly like it always was before.
The pay rates below will apply to all pilots who have completed initial training (including operating experience/“OE”) by seat. “CL-65” means all aircraft that seat 44-50 passengers with a common type rating.
04-03-2020, 12:50 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Stryker172
I hope the yes voters are proud of themselves.
Originally Posted by Imapylot
I’m proud of myself for voting NO.
Originally Posted by RAHkid94
What yes voters? I’m sure you’ll have a hard time finding anyone that will admit to it after how much of a pile of crap it has ended up being after implementation. All issues that people spoke out about and were ignored before the vote.
But hey, I got that percent and a half for a few months until the world imploded so that was nice.
But hey, I got that percent and a half for a few months until the world imploded so that was nice.
Originally Posted by flightlessbirds
I was a no voter...and I stand by that vote.
But this is a forest/trees situation. I hope the airlines survive at this point. AWAC, UAL, etc. I’m not for waiving the contract for the company’s sake at this point (or any). But let’s look at the big picture — there are no people flying on airplanes because they are scared and the government has made it illegal. You can’t have a business case for this scenario. The government trough only gets you so far.
But this is a forest/trees situation. I hope the airlines survive at this point. AWAC, UAL, etc. I’m not for waiving the contract for the company’s sake at this point (or any). But let’s look at the big picture — there are no people flying on airplanes because they are scared and the government has made it illegal. You can’t have a business case for this scenario. The government trough only gets you so far.
Not sure how an additional benefit in this situation is an argument against the gains that we got. I'm glad the majority of the group didn't agree with you and we got what we could. Could you imagine trying to still negotiate in the current environment?
04-03-2020, 12:51 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by Omnislash
Not sure how an additional benefit in this situation is an argument against the gains that we got. I'm glad the majority of the group didn't agree with you and we got what we could. Could you imagine trying to still negotiate in the current environment?
04-03-2020, 12:56 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by RAHkid94
The pay rates below will apply to all pilots who have completed initial training (including operating experience/“OE”) by seat. “CL-65” means all aircraft that seat 44-50 passengers with a common type rating.
Excellent. You quoted 3.A.1, but unfortunately stopped reading. Why don't you continue reading to 3.K.4 which says:
4. Pay Effective Date A new hire pilot will be paid at the rate identified in paragraph A. above, appropriate to the category for which he is in training. Subsequent to new hire training, a pilot’s pay rate will be changed: 1) when he receives a longevity increase provided for in paragraph A. above; and 2) when he changes seat or 3.7 equipment, effective as of the first day of IOE or, if IOE is not required, the first day the pilot operates the aircraft in the new position
It has been confirmed that the company pays upgrades the new rate once they are on OE.
04-03-2020, 12:59 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by RAHkid94
I’m sure the yes voters envisioned a global pandemic in their decision making.
Probably not. I'm sure they voted based on the benefits that we got over the last contract. What did you actually lose that you are upset about?
04-03-2020, 01:04 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by Omnislash
Probably not. I'm sure they voted based on the benefits that we got over the last contract. What did you actually lose that you are upset about?
Duly noted on the OE pay thing, I’ll own up to being wrong. I stopped asking the MEC questions after they tried to spin losing our max duty day protection as “being in line with 117” and they shot down RD for asking legitimate verbiage questions on the Facebook group.
04-03-2020, 01:20 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by RAHkid94
In two months when United says “We’re parking all the 50 seaters, here are some 175’s” we’re going to wish we still had the larger aircraft pay scales. I’ve also been stranded on the road multiple times since they changed the positive space verbiage.
Duly noted on the OE pay thing, I’ll own up to being wrong. I stopped asking the MEC questions after they tried to spin losing our max duty day protection as “being in line with 117” and they shot down RD for asking legitimate verbiage questions on the Facebook group.
Duly noted on the OE pay thing, I’ll own up to being wrong. I stopped asking the MEC questions after they tried to spin losing our max duty day protection as “being in line with 117” and they shot down RD for asking legitimate verbiage questions on the Facebook group.
I'm honestly not sure what the max duty day protection that your reference we lost is. I also don't know anythingabout the verbiage questions that were asked on facebook. I didn't even know we had a facebook about this stuff lol!
I will say that I haven't had an issue reaching out to my rep for information. He always answers or gets back to me and goes to bat for us with the company. I don't want someone to feed me a load of bull. I want the straight truth when I ask something and that's what I get. I can respect that even when the answer isn't what I want to hear or was hoping to hear.
Whatever happens, I hope we all make it through this. Stay safe out there!
04-03-2020, 04:01 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by Omnislash
The 175 thing is an interesting thing if UA can actually get their pilots to give up scope. The good thing is that if that happens, the company has to come and negotiate rates for it. The old 70 seat rates weren't even average among the rest of the industry so it's possible we could do better. Again, that's all a long shot if we are even offered anything else.
I'm honestly not sure what the max duty day protection that your reference we lost is. I also don't know anythingabout the verbiage questions that were asked on facebook. I didn't even know we had a facebook about this stuff lol!
I will say that I haven't had an issue reaching out to my rep for information. He always answers or gets back to me and goes to bat for us with the company. I don't want someone to feed me a load of bull. I want the straight truth when I ask something and that's what I get. I can respect that even when the answer isn't what I want to hear or was hoping to hear.
Whatever happens, I hope we all make it through this. Stay safe out there!
I'm honestly not sure what the max duty day protection that your reference we lost is. I also don't know anythingabout the verbiage questions that were asked on facebook. I didn't even know we had a facebook about this stuff lol!
I will say that I haven't had an issue reaching out to my rep for information. He always answers or gets back to me and goes to bat for us with the company. I don't want someone to feed me a load of bull. I want the straight truth when I ask something and that's what I get. I can respect that even when the answer isn't what I want to hear or was hoping to hear.
Whatever happens, I hope we all make it through this. Stay safe out there!
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