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bradthepilot 04-07-2020 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3026224)
It's like you aren't even reading what I'm saying. I have said over and over again that no one knows what will happen and that it's a possibility that 50 seat flying will go away. Don't come at me like I'm an idiot.

I understand what he said and what dark reality it poses. You can be as dark as you want, **however**, the words guess and mostly are important because the point is: Anything. Might. Happen.

Once someone is infected with the doomer mindset, it is difficult for them to see the world any other way. I think you explained it perfectly; this is an example of a reception/comprehension problem, not an articulation/transmission issue.

itsmytime 04-07-2020 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by bradthepilot (Post 3026228)
Once someone is infected with the doomer mindset, it is difficult for them to see the world any other way. I think you explained it perfectly; this is an example of a reception/comprehension problem, not an articulation/transmission issue.

hes not a doomer, heís just a mainline pilot that hopes to see the 50 seaters go away.

Itsajob 04-07-2020 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by GA2Jets (Post 3026224)
It's like you aren't even reading what I'm saying. I have said over and over again that no one knows what will happen and that it's a possibility that 50 seat flying will go away. Don't come at me like I'm an idiot.

I understand what he said and what dark reality it poses. You can be as dark as you want, **however**, the words guess and mostly are important because the point is: Anything. Might. Happen.

I didnít intend to even imply that you are an idiot, or anything close. I was just posting the exact quote and an open ended statement that people should not hang their hopes on what the meaning of ďisĒ is. You are absolutely correct, no one knows for certain how this will play out, but Scott Kirby was pretty clear about the likely future of 50 seat flying. He was also clear about the future of the 756 fleet, and possibly the Airbus fleet, if we have a slow recovery. The video was a little bit of dark humor, well because it is a funny clip and despite what Kirby said, thereís a chance.

Escargot 04-07-2020 10:32 AM

I call B.S. on Kirby.
What company, concerned about solvency, would pay to replace old working aircraft with non-existent new ones?
Who's with me?

Itsajob 04-07-2020 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 3026234)
hes not a doomer, heís just a mainline pilot that hopes to see the 50 seaters go away.

There is some truth to that, but what Iím really more interested in is the how it happens. Iím all for eliminating the 50 seat flying and creating higher paying jobs at United, but I also understand that there are a bunch of 50 seaters out there and just a few ways to make the change happen. The United MEC is arguing to bring the UAL owned 175ís in-house. That would satisfy the new SNB requirement of the contract and allow more regional 175ís. I donít know if that is something that will work when you do the math or not, but it makes for an interesting discussion. Iím not a doomer, and I donít wish any pilot harm, but big changes in how things have been done are happening and I find that interesting.

flightlessbirds 04-07-2020 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Escargot (Post 3026252)
I call B.S. on Kirby.
What company, concerned about solvency, would pay to replace old working aircraft with non-existent new ones?
Who's with me?

+1000. Especially ones with the lowest trip costs for many of the government mandated routes that are the strings for the gobs of free money coming from DC.

Itís called a C-suite power play and negotiating. Never let a crisis go to waste to get something for nothing that you couldnít get on your terms before. Kirby wants gobs of big RJs and scope for no cost ... and now he is pitching it as a way to help UAL survive. Trust the UAL MEC to hold the line ... they know the last time they caved it helped make the lost decade an actual decade.

Itsajob 04-07-2020 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Escargot (Post 3026252)
I call B.S. on Kirby.
What company, concerned about solvency, would pay to replace old working aircraft with non-existent new ones?
Who's with me?

I donít know if the discussion at the upper levels was about replacing aircraft or about the actual need for a fleet. Coming out of this old working aircraft like the 757 or 145 may no longer make sense to them.

Cessna182TypeR 04-07-2020 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 3025763)
Point 5, UND is in the business of selling pilot certificates and diplomas, of course theyíre predicting full recovery by fall.

LOL, very true.

KP is one of the biggest salesmen at the school.

SuperFlier 04-07-2020 11:38 AM

I watched the UND presentation. No way did they say recovery by Fall. They must have said a dozen times that nobody knows when the recovery would take place, but that historically the industry has always recovered eventually.

Edit to add: YouTube link of that presentation

BRayW 04-07-2020 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Escargot (Post 3026252)
I call B.S. on Kirby.
What company, concerned about solvency, would pay to replace old working aircraft with non-existent new ones?
Who's with me?

Agreed. This is what Iíve been thinking. In a tough economy with low margins and no cash on hand I donít see any way that they could pay for expensive new airplanes more economically than running the aircraft that we have.
Secondly, as our management has said, we still have a strong and extendable contract with United for several years yet. They canít break the contract without going to court.


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