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Old 11-18-2020, 09:29 PM
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Also scope clause is a factor and legit argument for the 200 to stay, but it’s probably being renegotiated as we speak. United could decide that protecting a slot with a little 200 on an unprofitable route makes long term sense, OR they could let routes go like they have in the past. They could also go for reduced frequency on larger aircraft, which reduces the demand for slots. I personally believe the future of 200 is dictated on protecting or not protecting slots, not scope.
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Old 11-19-2020, 04:09 AM
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As you said, they're scoped out of 70/76 seaters. Only way to add more small flying is 50 seaters.

I thought the 550's were the future but that costs money vs flying the 200/145 until they are no longer economical to keep (and cash in the bank is the name of the game right now).

I think the 200/145 are around for another 5-10 years. They'll go the way of the turboprops eventually but hopefully none of us flying them now will be flying the last ones to the desert.
Scoped out on 70+ seat airframes yes. But they can fly them more hours if they fly 50 seaters less hours. They don’t need more flying. They need more productive flying.
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Originally Posted by Finessed View Post
Also scope clause is a factor and legit argument for the 200 to stay, but it’s probably being renegotiated as we speak. United could decide that protecting a slot with a little 200 on an unprofitable route makes long term sense, OR they could let routes go like they have in the past. They could also go for reduced frequency on larger aircraft, which reduces the demand for slots. I personally believe the future of 200 is dictated on protecting or not protecting slots, not scope.

Or UA turns it over to “at risk” and few small operations take on that risk and fly 200’s around for another 5-10 years.. (if they can make money doing it)
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Both Delta AND UNITED have claimed the 50 seater is dead, and this time I find it hard to believe they’re bluffing. Specific regional airlines management have been tight lipped, but something is going on behind the scenes and I think it’s based around the 175 taking over. I have no idea what happens to Air Wisconsin but history shows you guys always survive. I find it hard to believe it will be in a 200 for 5-10 years, IMO.
I think 50 seaters will go away as they said, but making any reduction in 50 seat flying during the pandemic is a bad move imo. I think they're going to wait until after things calm down a little bit and we see passenger numbers returning to normal before they switch them out.

That being said, Air Wisconsin is making some interesting pushes to hire additional flight attendants. Some of that is due to attrition, but they seem to be growing the amount of FAs needed overall. That combined with the addition mechanics that they are looking for now seems to point to the possibility of the company strongly believing that a 700 deal will be met.

You're right that Air Wis always finds a way to survive. I think the company leaders have a very solid plan in place that they don't want to show publicly yet for whatever reason. At the very least, they are making moves that are consistent with plans to continue operations well after the pandemic.
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I think 50 seaters will go away as they said, but making any reduction in 50 seat flying during the pandemic is a bad move imo. I think they're going to wait until after things calm down a little bit and we see passenger numbers returning to normal before they switch them out.

That being said, Air Wisconsin is making some interesting pushes to hire additional flight attendants. Some of that is due to attrition, but they seem to be growing the amount of FAs needed overall. That combined with the addition mechanics that they are looking for now seems to point to the possibility of the company strongly believing that a 700 deal will be met.

You're right that Air Wis always finds a way to survive. I think the company leaders have a very solid plan in place that they don't want to show publicly yet for whatever reason. At the very least, they are making moves that are consistent with plans to continue operations well after the pandemic.
I have 3 friends that came from Air Wisco. We all fly for the same legacy now, but all 3 of them are specifically humbled individuals and great guys to be around.

I wish you guys the best, it’s tough to be at the mercy of United but I do believe efforts are being made to keep this regional around for a while.
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What does the hive mind think is coming?

With the new rates coming out, any idea, thoughts, or timeline estimates on what will happen next?
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GoJets or PSA. My money (small bet) is on PSA and re-kindling the abusive relationship with Dougie where AWAC walks away with a ton of $$ in ten years after being treated like trash to go back to UAL (again)!!
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Word on the street is the CEO of GoJet has checked out and wants to shut it down. Now whatever planes Skywest owns will go back to them or be leased out and whatever they don’t own is probably up for grabs.

who knows? As long as we come out of furlough and back to work that’s all that matters.
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Originally Posted by IDriveJets View Post
Word on the street is the CEO of GoJet has checked out and wants to shut it down. Now whatever planes Skywest owns will go back to them or be leased out and whatever they don’t own is probably up for grabs.



who knows? As long as we come out of furlough and back to work that’s all that matters.
Interesting, first I've heard anything like that recently.

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Originally Posted by IDriveJets View Post
Word on the street is the CEO of GoJet has checked out and wants to shut it down. Now whatever planes Skywest owns will go back to them or be leased out and whatever they don’t own is probably up for grabs.

who knows? As long as we come out of furlough and back to work that’s all that matters.
Doubtful. GoJet pilots report taking possession of Mesa Crj 700s.
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