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Old 10-26-2020, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by IDriveJets View Post
Here’s the reality coming from a furloughed pilot and what some of us are facing and yes AW is like any business that doesn’t really care because it’s all about money for them at the end of the day so no need to tell us “you knew what you were getting into” when you’re perched high enough to be safe from the flood.

1) I’m going to lose my home most likely.

2) Maybe if I’m lucky I’ll get an apartment or basement in a sketchy area (maybe).

3) I can’t afford car payments on unemployment benefits let alone pay bills or buy food for my family.

4) Flight instruction is BS because it is chump change and people aren’t spending in the current environment even if you teach full time.

5) We can’t afford daycare on one income and family is too far away to help watch the baby.

6) We basically have no health insurance (COBRA yeah whatever) so we can’t even get our baby checkups or vaccinations needed which renders her susceptible to infection or illness.

7) 26 job applications to 135 carriers and either its rejections or “we’re not hiring” and other jobs either don’t pay enough to survive or aren’t hiring.

8) Credit shot to s— because you either make late payments or no payments because your savings are being depleted or have been depleted.

9) Can’t go back to school because it involves more debt and no income.

10) The idiots in DC can’t seem to agree on a stimulus because of their political differences thereby screwing the very people who put them in office and who they are supposed to look after.


This the reality some of us are facing so forgive me if I don’t really care whether or not AW survives because they don’t really care if we do either.

As for a recall in the spring, as with all things AW I’ll believe it when it happens and I’m bailing the moment I find a job be it aviation or non-aviation related.

The irony? People I know who failed in training and got the boot are now in 135 carriers flying and making more money than a second year FO at AW.

Flying isn’t a dream anymore, it’s a nightmare and that’s the reality.

Don’t mean to sound grim but this is the life we live.

This is the stuff they need to read in Washington. This is really bad and I believe, unnecessary. We can and should be doing better.
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Old 10-27-2020, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Goingupinverted View Post
Heard this a thousand times, I have no empathy. Those who worked for $22hr as a pilot deserved exactly what they got paid. If pilots wouldn’t sell their souls to fly a shiny jet we wouldn’t have such absurdity. $22 an hour is why I avoided the airlines all together and went military first.
No one is asking for empathy. It’s just a fact. The jets weren’t and still aren’t shiny. Many people hopped on the bandwagon of being an airline pilot without understanding the risks of the career involved.
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Old 10-27-2020, 12:34 PM
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So I’m pretty sure others got this too but I just opened up my mail for health insurance and the COBRA program is $2,500 per month for a family.

I guess we have $2,500 to throw out the window now right?

So I guess we’ll just stay un-insured and ask for for a miracle or death when one of us gets really sick and can’t afford medical attention.

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Old 10-27-2020, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by IDriveJets View Post
So I’m pretty sure others got this too but I just opened up my mail for health insurance and the COBRA program is $2,500 per month for a family.

I guess we have $2,500 to throw out the window now right?

So I guess we’ll just stay un-insured and ask for for a miracle or death when one of us gets really sick and can’t afford medical attention.
It's quite sad and unfortunate but they're ruthless. It's either you look into Medicare or maybe pick some non aviation job with some medical benefits for the time being. I'm personally looking into working at Target. They've got some good medical coverage for employees.
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Old 10-27-2020, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by IDriveJets View Post
So I’m pretty sure others got this too but I just opened up my mail for health insurance and the COBRA program is $2,500 per month for a family.

I guess we have $2,500 to throw out the window now right?

So I guess we’ll just stay un-insured and ask for for a miracle or death when one of us gets really sick and can’t afford medical attention.
Look into some of the ACA plans available on the marketplace. Whiskey was paying 75% of the health insurance premiums, carrying that same plan is going to be incredibly expensive.
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Old 10-27-2020, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon View Post
Look into some of the ACA plans available on the marketplace. Whiskey was paying 75% of the health insurance premiums, carrying that same plan is going to be incredibly expensive.
Remember this next industry up cycle during contract negotiations when management offers a 1-2% ‘raise’ in exchange for a ‘more modern, industry standard’ menu of health insurance options.
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Old 10-27-2020, 06:26 PM
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Remember this next industry up cycle during contract negotiations when management offers a 1-2% ‘raise’ in exchange for a ‘more modern, industry standard’ menu of health insurance options.
I don’t think that would ever change here, it’s an absolute non-starter to almost everyone except some of the former military pilots and single just out of college people.
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Old 10-28-2020, 07:22 AM
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I don’t think that would ever change here, it’s an absolute non-starter to almost everyone except some of the former military pilots and single just out of college people.
the number of people I’ve come across who think rates are the end all / be all of contracts is concerning.
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Old 10-28-2020, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat View Post
the number of people I’ve come across who think rates are the end all / be all of contracts is concerning.

My cobra is $789. I'm 33 and healthy. It's not in the budget. But being furloughed I do qualify for "special enrollment" in the ACA. And after filling out a questionnaire I was able to get a tax credit of $300 pre-applied to my health care.

The story of our college potentially loosing his house and facing other hardships is upsetting. I feel some but not all of your pain. Wish you and your family the best.
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Old 10-31-2020, 06:02 AM
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Looks like SkyWest is getting 21 550's. Great for them, but too bad we couldn't get those aircraft/hours.
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