Hiring Again?!
#71
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When management announced to the company that ZW was going to start hiring pilots again the very next line was that we will have to “contain costs.”
Obviously the ATP/CTP course is a cost to the company, so its obvious why they will not provide that training at this time. That said, even if you have the course and ATP written completed, but you do not have turbine or 121 time, I suspect that they likely will not offer you a class date at this time either. I hope I’m wrong by the way, but the fact is there are tons of guys on the streets who have turbine and 121 time and have proven to be successful through a 121 initial training program. The collective cost to train these guys is significantly less than the collective costs to train the 1,000-1,500 hr CFIs who have never completed a 121 program. The guys with 121 experience have a significant less risk of requiring extra training or more importantly failing out. When a new hire fails out because he’s having trouble in the sim, the company has spent a significant amount with no return on investment. So one way to contain costs is for the company to hire former 121 folks as the overall training cost will likely be less. Realistically ZW will likely be hiring former 121 folks first, and once that pool of applicants dwindle, they will offer ATP/CTP and class dates to 121 newbies. How long that will take is anyone’s guess.
Obviously the ATP/CTP course is a cost to the company, so its obvious why they will not provide that training at this time. That said, even if you have the course and ATP written completed, but you do not have turbine or 121 time, I suspect that they likely will not offer you a class date at this time either. I hope I’m wrong by the way, but the fact is there are tons of guys on the streets who have turbine and 121 time and have proven to be successful through a 121 initial training program. The collective cost to train these guys is significantly less than the collective costs to train the 1,000-1,500 hr CFIs who have never completed a 121 program. The guys with 121 experience have a significant less risk of requiring extra training or more importantly failing out. When a new hire fails out because he’s having trouble in the sim, the company has spent a significant amount with no return on investment. So one way to contain costs is for the company to hire former 121 folks as the overall training cost will likely be less. Realistically ZW will likely be hiring former 121 folks first, and once that pool of applicants dwindle, they will offer ATP/CTP and class dates to 121 newbies. How long that will take is anyone’s guess.
#72
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I don’t really care about it much either way but that’s how the heated conversations started. One side strongly felt it was ok to pay for such things out of pocket and the other side strongly felt the hiring airline is the only one that should pay for such things.
#73
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If that $5k bonus gets them former 121 guys who will likely all pass in the minimum amount of sim time, then it is most likely cheaper in the end than offering ATP/CTP to candidates new to 121 only to have 20% of them fail out after spending a significant amount on each in sim training. Also I’m sure the bonus has strings attached...like you are not vested in it until you hit some milestone. When they pay for ATP/CTP that money is spent. My ATP/CTP class had two individuals that later failed out of training. That’s money the company lost with no return on investment. It’s clear that at this time they are not willing to take that financial risk.
#74
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If you want a 135 job guess what, you need your ATP written complete at a minimum, and most want turbine time. Last year that was not the issue. The labor market has changed, if you don’t want to pay for CTP course then wait it out or apply to PSA or Endeavor. A few years ago pilots had to pay for their type rating and their CTP courses. We have been spoiled the past couple years, but it’s not unheard of to pay for training in our industry.
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#80
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Nope- you should have gotten the email stating they are taking those with CTP and ATP written completed first. So airman trainees without CTP/ATP but had CJOs are being pushed back. Who should come first? That's not our decision to make. I guess the email saying airman trainees would get priority when hiring started up again was not factual.
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