Aviate Town Hall
#3
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Here’s a question for someone who enjoys both math and speculation. Let’s say that the most senior pilot at Air Wisconsin didn’t previously do the Aviate thing but has now changed his mind and recently opted in. He is now the most senior pilot at Air Wisconsin with a March 31, 2022 Aviate date. When will he actually flow to United?
#4
Here’s a question for someone who enjoys both math and speculation. Let’s say that the most senior pilot at Air Wisconsin didn’t previously do the Aviate thing but has now changed his mind and recently opted in. He is now the most senior pilot at Air Wisconsin with a March 31, 2022 Aviate date. When will he actually flow to United?
#5
That^^^
Rumor is the Big Three are not only trying to hold their own flow to the minimum possible while still being an incentive to fill regional classes AND limiting OTS hires from their own regional feed. There is quite a discussion of this on the Endeavor thread. Raiding ULCCs first allows them to get people who already have an A320 orB737 type (and hence are minimal training risks at a time their training departments are overwhelmed) without cannibalizing their own feed whose own ranks of CAs have already been ravaged by previous major hiring.
The problem in the regional supply chain now is they are losing regional CAs too quickly for the FOs to have someone in the left seat to give them the 1000 hours of SIC they need to upgrade.
the speedy path to the majors now appears to be to get your ATP and first type at a regional, bail to a ULCC at the first opportunity, and acquire hours there until you can move to a major. Is it a guaranteed flow? Absolutely not. But neither is flow from a regional if your regional goes under because it doesn’t have enough CAs to do the job.
just look at the bonuses being offered for DECs these days.
Rumor is the Big Three are not only trying to hold their own flow to the minimum possible while still being an incentive to fill regional classes AND limiting OTS hires from their own regional feed. There is quite a discussion of this on the Endeavor thread. Raiding ULCCs first allows them to get people who already have an A320 orB737 type (and hence are minimal training risks at a time their training departments are overwhelmed) without cannibalizing their own feed whose own ranks of CAs have already been ravaged by previous major hiring.
The problem in the regional supply chain now is they are losing regional CAs too quickly for the FOs to have someone in the left seat to give them the 1000 hours of SIC they need to upgrade.
the speedy path to the majors now appears to be to get your ATP and first type at a regional, bail to a ULCC at the first opportunity, and acquire hours there until you can move to a major. Is it a guaranteed flow? Absolutely not. But neither is flow from a regional if your regional goes under because it doesn’t have enough CAs to do the job.
just look at the bonuses being offered for DECs these days.
#6
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United is definitely trying to make people (UAX pilots) scared to go somewhere else if United is their top choice. They said if you are a UAX pilot and leave to go to a non UAX airline and then apply at United, your application is going to the bottom of the pile. So it’s a big gamble either way. Stay at UAX until you flow and watch thousands of people get hired / flow before you or go to a ULCC and call them on their bluff to see if they actually stick you at the bottom of the pile, or if they give you an interview right away.
#7
United is definitely trying to make people (UAX pilots) scared to go somewhere else if United is their top choice. They said if you are a UAX pilot and leave to go to a non UAX airline and then apply at United, your application is going to the bottom of the pile. So it’s a big gamble either way. Stay at UAX until you flow and watch thousands of people get hired / flow before you or go to a ULCC and call them on their bluff to see if they actually stick you at the bottom of the pile, or if they give you an interview right away.
For 9E pilots, the fastest flow to Delta is via a JetBlue CJO.
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United is definitely trying to make people (UAX pilots) scared to go somewhere else if United is their top choice. They said if you are a UAX pilot and leave to go to a non UAX airline and then apply at United, your application is going to the bottom of the pile. So it’s a big gamble either way. Stay at UAX until you flow and watch thousands of people get hired / flow before you or go to a ULCC and call them on their bluff to see if they actually stick you at the bottom of the pile, or if they give you an interview right away.
#9
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United is definitely trying to make people (UAX pilots) scared to go somewhere else if United is their top choice. They said if you are a UAX pilot and leave to go to a non UAX airline and then apply at United, your application is going to the bottom of the pile. So it’s a big gamble either way. Stay at UAX until you flow and watch thousands of people get hired / flow before you or go to a ULCC and call them on their bluff to see if they actually stick you at the bottom of the pile, or if they give you an interview right away.
#10
Here’s a question for someone who enjoys both math and speculation. Let’s say that the most senior pilot at Air Wisconsin didn’t previously do the Aviate thing but has now changed his mind and recently opted in. He is now the most senior pilot at Air Wisconsin with a March 31, 2022 Aviate date. When will he actually flow to United?
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