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StuckOnReserve 08-07-2023 06:58 PM

It Sucks A$$.
Period

Filler

100LimaLima 08-07-2023 07:53 PM

WX makes commuting suck even more
 

Originally Posted by StuckOnReserve (Post 3679461)
It Sucks A$$.
Period

Filler

Especially if today's Go Home Day and you're commuting to the East Coast.

Junkyard Dog 08-08-2023 09:09 AM

They may have to consider giving positive space to and from work or they’ll be canceling flights due to no crews making it in

TegridyFarms 08-21-2023 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3620150)
If you're asking if absorbing the company training that could have been given to an honest employee who intended to stay, enhancing your resume with a new type rating, then failing to give any service in return and jumping ship is frowned upon, it really sounds like you're asking if you can perform an act of dishonor without looking bad. Kind of like asking if you steal something, will anyone give you a hard time?

Honesty ad integrity is what you do when no one is looking. Think about that.

Terrible advice. Just flew with a 27 year old FO at Delta. He got into the game “late.” Here’s his career—ALL ATPs—> Instructor —> Commutair for 9 months —> Spirit for 13 months —> Delta and United offers. Came to Delta.

Until you’re where you want to be, the rest is just a hustle. You owe no corporation anything because they trained you. Period

In another scenario I flew with a newish FO who spent 5 years at FDX and then came to DL. He felt obligated to FDX because they hired him and trained him. Unhappy and miserable the entire time. Had he come to DL in 2017-2018 he would be about 55-58% company wide on the list right now. Instead he just finished year one and is 14k deep on the list.

Get to where you want to be, have a good attitude, and enjoy the journey. You owe no regional airline any type of moral contract.

bonesbrigade 08-22-2023 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3686085)
Terrible advice. Just flew with a 27 year old FO at Delta. He got into the game “late.” Here’s his career—ALL ATPs—> Instructor —> Commutair for 9 months —> Spirit for 13 months —> Delta and United offers. Came to Delta.

Until you’re where you want to be, the rest is just a hustle. You owe no corporation anything because they trained you. Period

In another scenario I flew with a newish FO who spent 5 years at FDX and then came to DL. He felt obligated to FDX because they hired him and trained him. Unhappy and miserable the entire time. Had he come to DL in 2017-2018 he would be about 55-58% company wide on the list right now. Instead he just finished year one and is 14k deep on the list.

Get to where you want to be, have a good attitude, and enjoy the journey. You owe no regional airline any type of moral contract.

Crazy what a few years makes... Im a nov 22 hire and, while i already have 2000 behind me and at least another year of all-out hiring to go, Im 41 and the alpa app projects me retiring at 3,000ish. Still a good life but not the rocket ship a few years ago would have produced.

DarkSideMoon 08-26-2023 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3686085)
Terrible advice. Just flew with a 27 year old FO at Delta. He got into the game “late.” Here’s his career—ALL ATPs—> Instructor —> Commutair for 9 months —> Spirit for 13 months —> Delta and United offers. Came to Delta.

Until you’re where you want to be, the rest is just a hustle. You owe no corporation anything because they trained you. Period

In another scenario I flew with a newish FO who spent 5 years at FDX and then came to DL. He felt obligated to FDX because they hired him and trained him. Unhappy and miserable the entire time. Had he come to DL in 2017-2018 he would be about 55-58% company wide on the list right now. Instead he just finished year one and is 14k deep on the list.

Get to where you want to be, have a good attitude, and enjoy the journey. You owe no regional airline any type of moral contract.

yup. Imagine thinking you owe a company anything. It’s a business transaction. If ZW could harm you in a similar way for profit they would in a heartbeat. The regionals exploited labor for years. This isn’t letting a friend down or showing loyalty to family. It’s simple business, and if that means getting a bunch of training and then punching out to a major before you make them a dime then that’s smart business.

Hobbit64 08-26-2023 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3688333)
yup. Imagine thinking you owe a company anything. It’s a business transaction. If ZW could harm you in a similar way for profit they would in a heartbeat. The regionals exploited labor for years. This isn’t letting a friend down or showing loyalty to family. It’s simple business, and if that means getting a bunch of training and then punching out to a major before you make them a dime then that’s smart business.

ZW had a no furlough clause yet had no problem furloughing when they’d felt the need.
just a little perspective

Its kind of like the corporate aviation world, the good programs don’t need training contracts.

They are a stepping stone and know/rely on that to maximize the number of people on the lower end of the pay scale. I literally heard a CEO (not ZW) say as much when trying to get senior pilots to support a TA.


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