nordo

Yeah, S5 did the same thing in their February 1st class. It was a bloodbath, or so I heard. They started out two or three short who never showed for initial/new hire (wise men/women), and then proceeded to kick out/fail out at least half of those who showed up. All the while telling them how badly they needed pilots.

My buddy who was there said that the funniest thing was the ex-Midwest pilot who had a job at Evergreen, but no start date who took their money, drank like a fish and never cracked a book. On the day before his Oral he got his start date at Evergreen, and walked into his Oral and quit.

My buddy made it to the sim before his checkride and was canned, no failures in training or anything else, in fact as he was turning his stuff he was told he had a "great attitude". They won't tell him why they canned him, so it goes on his PRIA as failing out of training, apparently. Nice that Congress left anyone with a negative PRIA no chance to rebut in a situation like that. My buddy says "Stay away from RAH" too, not the place to be when they lie to your face, and deal dishonestly.

I think he even took a bath on the uniforms too, M&H charges a 15% "restocking fee" on the mandatory uniforms, including that stupid hat. An unemployed regional guy can afford that, like he can afford a positive drug test. In other words, NOT!

Even Mesa isn't that cold-blooded, they'll tell you why you're getting the boot.

NoBeta

Someone please correct me if I am wrong. This is what I gather from the thread.

You can start training, for some reason or other you did not finish, not fail, just didn't finish. It is considered a failure. What a great industry.

saab2000

It is indeed a crappy industry.

But I don't believe that people who are offered the chance to resign from a carrier (as is generally the case at AWAC) are recorded as Un-Sat, or Fail.

TRS531

I was TOLD by the CP(take that for what it is) that if I e-mailed him my official resignation(after our phone convo), he would then pass that along to HR so they could send me a separation packet and it would be officially listed as a resignation on my emp record.

It really sucks to hear the other stories on there though about what other companies do and the "business" they practice. Cut throat biz...

FlyerJosh

My advice is to consult an attorney and or the MEC. Even as a probationary FO, ALPA should hopefully offer you some assistance/insight.

If you haven't already done so, DO NOT SEND A RESIGNATION. Doing so will affect your ability to draw unemployment and other benefits. If you are being let go through no fault of your own, you're better off not resigning, IMHO.

A resignation might reflect unfavorably in the future. Ask the CP for a specific reason why he is requesting your resignation. Was it due to poor performance? I would also ask to see/obtain a copy of your airline training record (including any notes made by instructors about your performance).

Document document document. At the end of the day, if they're simply letting you go because their staffing needs have changed, I would seek a letter stating that you were "Released from employment for reasons not related to duty performance".

cdn533

I agree with FlyerJosh, try to receive some advise from the union. I think failed checkrides shows on the PRIA, not incomplete trainings.

fjetter

Incorrect, and it may depend on the company. A few years ago I washed out of a regional sim program during the 300hr new-hire days. I've since been successful at multiple ATP and Type rides for both 121 and 135 carriers. When hired at my next company I requested a copy of my pria, which is your right (FAA Form 8060-11A) and highly recommended.

It listed every required training lesson and the completion status. At the end instead of a line stating resigned during training (which is what the company told me at the time it would indicate), it indicated "Training terminated - performance related."

I was honest with future employers and they already knew the story, but be very wary of what a company that is terminating you is telling you. Often times it is not in your best interest.

Additionally a bad PRIA isn't a black-stain forever. It is a federal law that states that future employers are only allowed to request records for the previous 5 years.

The FAA website has a lot of info about the PRIA program, it is important that we as pilots understand how the system works so that it can not be used against us.
Pilot Records Improvement Act of 1996 (PRIA) Privacy Act Verification Letters (PA) Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA)

TRS531

Thanks guys...I haven't e-mailed him yet so I will hold off and look to see if I have options with unemployment/etc.

pitchtrim

From what I've seen they've let people go who simply couldn't hack it. Or if they had some sort of bad attitude. The initial hiring process is very lax, which may be why guys are getting hired that aren't ready yet. Even one of my best buddies didn't make it off OE cause he struggled with flying the plane. Sucks but its just how it goes.

Razorback flyer

For those being let go - I would deffinately seek some friendly advice before submiting anything - official or otherwise. I think a quick call or email to your status rep and/or the training comitee would be appropriate. Even as a probie, you are entitled to representation! - and most reps at most of the places I've been are very prompt in returning communcations. You may be one of many this is happening to, and the union needs to know that.

The company needs to be upfront about anything going in any sort of record, and you need to be able to collect unemployment and any other benifits the law dictates that you are entitled to.

(Disclaimer - I don't, nor have I ever, worked for ATW. I have worked for a ******y regional, though.)