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trevtt600 01-01-2007 02:33 PM

Any news on Air Wisconsin Class dates yet?
 
Happy New Year everyone. Has anyone have any updates on the classes for air wisconsin? I talk to the VP of Maintance this weekend, and he said it is looking like Febuary. Can anyone conferm that? He also said that there are some other flying there looking into, but i know that wont get anyone excited, till we ever get a final yes from one of the companies.

Also, does anyone know how deep the "pool" is? How many classes is it going to take to clear the pool. I got hired early November. Just wondering.

BoilerUP 01-01-2007 02:43 PM

KLW said on the company discussion board the next newhire class is Jan 22nd.

Take that for what it is worth....and I serioulsy doubt there will be any growth for ZW in 2007.

KiloAlpha 01-01-2007 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 97894)
... will be any growth for ZW in 2007.

Growth and ZW shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Hear Wiskey's a great company to work for, but I wouldn't think they could put a competitive bid together to save their lives..

BoilerUP 01-01-2007 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by KiloAlpha (Post 97901)
Growth and ZW shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Hear Wiskey's a great company to work for, but I wouldn't think they could put a competitive bid together to save their lives..

I'd be willing to bet a 'competitive bid' had nothing to do with us not winning the Midwest RFP...

fosters 01-01-2007 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 97902)
I'd be willing to bet a 'competitive bid' had nothing to do with us not winning the Midwest RFP...

I would. It's why AWAC lost it.

KiloAlpha 01-01-2007 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by fosters (Post 97904)
I would. It's why AWAC lost it.

haha :D :D :p

trevtt600 01-01-2007 03:47 PM

what is ZW? sorry don't know all the lingo yet.

Nevermind. I figured it out i think. Short for Air Wisconsin or something?

saab2000 01-01-2007 03:51 PM

ZW is the 2-letter ICAO code for Air Wisconsin

CRJflyer32 01-01-2007 04:53 PM

I'm gonna have to agree with Boiler. I don't think it was the money that was the problem. There are some other contributing factors linked to the loss of that RFP.

saab2000 01-01-2007 04:56 PM

We'll never know, but I think there were issues other than money in play here too.

KiloAlpha 01-01-2007 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 97928)
We'll never know, but I think there were issues other than money in play here too.

Such as what? Aircraft type/size?

fosters 01-01-2007 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by CRJflyer32 (Post 97925)
I'm gonna have to agree with Boiler. I don't think it was the money that was the problem. There are some other contributing factors linked to the loss of that RFP.

Keep in mind a "competitive" RFP is the entire package, not just the "bottom line".

For example, if Mesa was $5.00/flight hour cheaper, but canceled 30% more would they be as competitive as someone who cost more but cancels significantly less? That was a rhetorical question BTW :D.

AWAC lost this RFP because their bid wasn't as competitive as Skywest's. Simple as that. How Midwest determined "competitive" is unknown. I'd bet my left nut Skywest had the right combination of cost, quality, and service.

BoilerUP 01-01-2007 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by fosters
I'd bet my left nut Skywest had the right combination of cost, quality, and service.

I wouldn't disagree with that so you can keep your boys...but I'd wager the first five rounds at Zona Rosa that cost was not the reason Skywest won with Midwest and we didn't. I think service (cleanliness of airplanes and inflight) was *the* deciding factor.

fosters 01-01-2007 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 97948)
I wouldn't disagree with that so you can keep your boys...but I'd wager the first five rounds at Zona Rosa that cost was not the reason Skywest won with Midwest and we didn't. I think service (cleanliness of airplanes and inflight) was *the* deciding factor.

I think we are saying the same thing - it was the whole package. If Skywest bankrolled Vicky's models to be on their planes and spit shined their aircraft every night their costs would go up astronomically. There's a balance, and Skywest has found it. AWAC hasn't.

The big thing AWAC had going for it pre-United breakup was the mountain flying in the 146. Without that, the Company is just another pay-for-departure carrier, and offers nothing special except higher costs for doing the same thing that Chautauqua, TSA, Expressjet, etc does. Except those companies do it cheaper :D.


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