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Old 12-03-2017, 11:37 AM
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Jetblue has a ton of outsourcing via codesharing. I’m at Spirit and we have unlimited codesharing in our scope language. With the ULCC model expanding to wide bodies it’s a gaping hole in our section 1 that needs to to be closed.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:19 PM
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Jetblue has a ton of outsourcing via codesharing. I’m at Spirit and we have unlimited codesharing in our scope language. With the ULCC model expanding to wide bodies it’s a gaping hole in our section 1 that needs to to be closed.
Alaska does that too.

We're kind of like a travel agency/booking service.
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Old 12-04-2017, 06:54 AM
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Alaska does that too.

We're kind of like a travel agency/booking service.
There are girls who have been around the block and then there are tour guides.
Alaska is a tour guide...

We are a genuine, straight up, old school prostitute. Alaska will do anything with anybody for money.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Mudhen200 View Post
There are girls who have been around the block and then there are tour guides.
Alaska is a tour guide...

We are a genuine, straight up, old school prostitute. Alaska will do anything with anybody for money.
My nomination for post of the year. . .That is some funny stuff. . .
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:08 AM
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If you have great pay now and no scope, think about what you'll have in 20 years...


What leverage exactly do you expect to have at the bargaining table going forward?
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:14 AM
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We have no leverage, thanks to a pilot group that never bothered to fight for it years ago
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:56 AM
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I was kind of wondering if I'd get a rebuttal from the OP.

It appears not.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by OCCP View Post
We have no leverage, thanks to a pilot group that never bothered to fight for it years ago
Sad but true. This has been the mentality for far too long and this is exactly why were are in the position we are in now and why we have little to no leverage in 2020.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:21 PM
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Scope is within the realm of possibility and might not even cost that much in 2020. Reason being the pilot shortage, majors will have enough trouble recruiting the quality of applicants to which they are accustomed, to say nothing of their regional partners. Lack of scope only does them so much good if regionals can't staff, or operate safely with the staff they have. Code share is a different story.

They will of course extract a price for scope, because it may be worth more to the pilots now than it is to AAG.

But better to lock it in asap... the pilot shortage may not be perpetual.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Scope is within the realm of possibility and might not even cost that much in 2020. Reason being the pilot shortage, majors will have enough trouble recruiting the quality of applicants to which they are accustomed, to say nothing of their regional partners. Lack of scope only does them so much good if regionals can't staff, or operate safely with the staff they have. Code share is a different story.

They will of course extract a price for scope, because it may be worth more to the pilots now than it is to AAG.

But better to lock it in asap... the pilot shortage may not be perpetual.
Your last line nailed it. All it would take is Congress "amending" the ATP requirement, and what's old is new again...
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