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vbguy01 05-18-2018 06:07 AM

Yikes Part 3?
 
Alaska Airlines flight attendant accuses first officer of rape, sues over termination

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/05/18/alaska-airlines-flight-attendant-accuses-first-officer-rape-sues-over-termination.html

Moose 05-18-2018 02:41 PM

Maybe the actual investigated facts didn’t fit her narrative? Maybe she totally screwed up, got caught in a lie and was terminated? Maybe she saw what Betty did and is hunting for the payday? Maybe.....

ImperialxRat 05-18-2018 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Moose (Post 2597147)
Maybe the actual investigated facts didn’t fit her narrative? Maybe she totally screwed up, got caught in a lie and was terminated? Maybe she saw what Betty did and is hunting for the payday? Maybe.....


I know it's easy for people like you to jump to that conclusion, but it really itsn't an easy payday, and about every woman that I know would never want to be associated with a rape allegation because of the stigma it creates, especially when young like she is and seems to enjoy her job.


On the other hand, I find it unlikely that a pilot would decide to drug and rape a co-worker, but I'm more inclined to believe that then that a 25 year old FA who likes her job decides to rock the boat and risk it for a payday while being blackballed and publicly known as a rape accuser.

742Dash 05-19-2018 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by ImperialxRat (Post 2597256)
On the other hand, I find it unlikely that a pilot would decide to drug and rape a co-worker, ....

Setting this case aside, I don't find it unlikely at all. Date rape drugs are common in our society, and there is no reason to think that aviation is immune.

I don't understand the thinking that goes from buying a woman a beer to slipping her some Rohypnol, but then there are a lot of things that people do that I don't understand.

wrxpilot 05-19-2018 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by 742Dash (Post 2597479)
Setting this case aside, I don't find it unlikely at all. Date rape drugs are common in our society, and there is no reason to think that aviation is immune.

I don't understand the thinking that goes from buying a woman a beer to slipping her some Rohypnol, but then there are a lot of things that people do that I don't understand.

I’ve actually been under the impression that actual “date rape” drugs are not common at all, and in most cases excessive alcohol consumption is confused with “being drugged”.

Do you have any statistics to back up your statement that date rape drugs are common?

Moose 05-19-2018 07:47 AM

People like me? You’re funny. Maybe you don’t understand that a full investigation was done by the company AFA and ALPA. Maybe you don’t understand everyone wasn’t out to “get” her. Just maybe....there was an extensive backstory and termination was the only outcome when the circumstances and evidence were taken into consideration.


Originally Posted by ImperialxRat (Post 2597256)
I know it's easy for people like you to jump to that conclusion, but it really itsn't an easy payday, and about every woman that I know would never want to be associated with a rape allegation because of the stigma it creates, especially when young like she is and seems to enjoy her job.


On the other hand, I find it unlikely that a pilot would decide to drug and rape a co-worker, but I'm more inclined to believe that then that a 25 year old FA who likes her job decides to rock the boat and risk it for a payday while being blackballed and publicly known as a rape accuser.


742Dash 05-19-2018 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 2597512)
I’ve actually been under the impression that actual “date rape” drugs are not common at all, and in most cases excessive alcohol consumption is confused with “being drugged”.

Do you have any statistics to back up your statement that date rape drugs are common?

https://www.livescience.com/54896-dr...-students.html

And it is not just women and rape. I know two male pilots who woke up with no memory of the night before and found that they had been robbed.

wrxpilot 05-19-2018 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by 742Dash (Post 2597548)
https://www.livescience.com/54896-dr...-students.html

And it is not just women and rape. I know two male pilots who woke up with no memory of the night before and found that they had been robbed.

Ah. See, the problem with that link is this is just citing people that “think” they were drugged, without actually having data to back it up. Getting blackout drunk is WAY more common, but for whatever reason people like to place the blame on extremely rare cases of having their drink spiked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.2822352

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...l-assault-dfsa

A Squared 05-19-2018 12:21 PM

I'm a little confused about what exactly is supposed to have happened.




“And the next day, I woke up early in the morning around 6 or 7 a.m.,” she recalled. “And I had no clothes on. My clothes were (in) every corner of the room and I was scared.”
She believes she had been drugged and raped. But she didn’t know who was responsible.
“I felt severe cramping beyond menstrual pain. I felt itchy. I felt sexually assaulted,” Geffre said. “I had no idea what had happened.”
She later learned from the Broward County Sheriff’s Office more frightening details about that night.
“I was found in a stairwell by a security guard who swore under oath he did find me in a stairwell with my pants to my ankles and I was slouched over with vomit on me,” Geffre said.
So, did this rape happen in the stairwell or in her room?



If "She didn't know who was responsible" (paraphrasing by the KIRO narrator) and "I had no idea what happened" (her actual words) then how did she know the First Officer raped her?


Also according to her; “They called me dishonest. I’ve been called a liar by a company that I loved working for. I've been slut shamed by a company that I devoted my time to,”

Taken at face value this seems to suggest that the company's investigations of her claims did lead them to believe she was making things up. I don't know what Alaska believes she lied about, nor whether they were correct in that assessment, but her own words seem to suggest that is at the heart of her firing. Getting fired for lying to the company during an investigation of a possible crime is a lot different than getting fired for reporting a rape by a former co-worker.

sailingfun 05-19-2018 01:06 PM

I had a hard time following the story also. She says the FO drugged her. He also it appears independently from her called in sick and believed he had been drugged. She states this shows she is telling the truth. Did he drug her and himself and then turned himself in? There must be a lot more to the story we are not hearing.


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