jet Blue and Alaska?
07-30-2018, 05:00 AM
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jet Blue and Alaska?
Saw this on another thread and was wondering what’s up. JFK base closure followed by reduced growth etc etc etc and now this:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/jetblue-reshuffles-corporate-headquarters-braces-workers-for-layoffs.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/jetblue-reshuffles-corporate-headquarters-braces-workers-for-layoffs.html
07-30-2018, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by av8or
Read the article. Interesting.
Gotta love the term management uses:
“Involuntary Departures” instead of “fired”, “laid off”.
Gotta love the term management uses:
“Involuntary Departures” instead of “fired”, “laid off”.
I don't see anything particularly strange about the way that was stated. It's a clear contrast of voluntary vs. involuntary. Everybody knows what it means.
Some of you need to take off your jade-colored glasses.
07-30-2018, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
"We aimed to reduce the number of involuntary departures by offering voluntary buyouts and by eliminating a number of open positions."
I don't see anything particularly strange about the way that was stated. It's a clear contrast of voluntary vs. involuntary. Everybody knows what it means.
Some of you need to take off your jade-colored glasses.
I don't see anything particularly strange about the way that was stated. It's a clear contrast of voluntary vs. involuntary. Everybody knows what it means.
Some of you need to take off your jade-colored glasses.
07-30-2018, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lowflying
Really? Layoffs are always involuntary and buyouts usually aren’t. The extra words are just extra mayo on the cr@p sandwich to make it go down better.
He was speaking to normal people who understand conversational English and don't have an axe to grind. I'm sure when they spoke to the pilots, they used simple, single-syllable words that they could easily understand: "We no fire you right now. Go fly planes. Bye bye!"
07-30-2018, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Reactivity
There weren't any extra words. "Involuntary departures" contrasts directly with "voluntary buyouts" - it's clear, requires fewer words and is smoother than, "We aimed to reduce the number of employees we would need to fire or lay off by offering to pay people to leave."
He was speaking to normal people who understand conversational English and don't have an axe to grind. I'm sure when they spoke to the pilots, they used simple, single-syllable words that they could easily understand: "We no fire you right now. Go fly planes. Bye bye!"
He was speaking to normal people who understand conversational English and don't have an axe to grind. I'm sure when they spoke to the pilots, they used simple, single-syllable words that they could easily understand: "We no fire you right now. Go fly planes. Bye bye!"
07-30-2018, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lowflying
Or perhaps they were doing everything possible to avoid he use of the word layoff.... I’ll keep my jade colored lenses you can keep on sporting your rose colored lenses.
I don't look at the world through rose-colored glasses. I just find it takes way too much energy to maintain the APC airline pilot forum level of cynicism and outrage.
07-30-2018, 12:41 PM
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I think the perfect play would be AS/HA/B6. All three rely heavily on codeshares. Now, I’m not sure what AA would think of that and I think the next move will be big and expensive. Yes, a possible downturn in the economy could be in the minds of airline management, but it seems these companies are gearing up and settling the books for another merger. Who? That’s the million dollar question. I know for sure that many are hoping for something sooner than later.
07-30-2018, 06:36 PM
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AS/B6 would require a JCBA with a modification to the brand new scope clause that doesn't allow block purchase agreements like Horizon or Skywest. I don't think you'd get a majority of pilots to go along with that without throwing more money at it than it's worth.
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