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Originally Posted by MarkThyme (Post 2670421)

Hey, that's great! I guess you really showed them. They are clearly super-annoyed.

And what do you have to show for it? Scope? Industry-leading pay? DB retirement? Massive management reorganization as a result of the orange "no confidence vote"? Tell me!

Arbitration... hopefully never again. However the lanyards as cheesy as they are certainly strike a nerve and are effective. 2020 will be MUCH more ugly as this group has a much stronger backbone.

Clearly you’re a Troll so I’ll stop feeding.

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Originally Posted by MarkThyme (Post 2670096)

Or maybe I'm a career professional who has seen union members do some pretty obnoxious but ultimately meaningless stuff, believing that anybody else cares about their gripes and thinking that if they just annoy management enough, they can make the company relent and change course.

You are not the big deal you think you are. Tame your ego, and see the world a little more clearly.

A career professional “what”? Pilot? Manager? Scheduler? Dispatcher?

It appears you have only responded to two airlines dealing with labor issues.... us and ATI/ABX.... nothin at all suspicicious about that....

“Greedy Bastages”... still my favorite

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Originally Posted by IFlyNFish (Post 2670424)

Arbitration... hopefully never again. However the lanyards as cheesy as they are certainly strike a nerve and are effective.

You guys keep making my point for me.

If your goal is to annoy management, then hey - mission accomplished! They are clearly effective at doing that. If, however, you're actually trying to improve your lot in life, your orange lanyards haven't accomplished anything.

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Originally Posted by IFlyNFish (Post 2670424)

2020 will be MUCH more ugly as this group has a much stronger backbone.

I hope you're right. But we're here because somebody is saying a new round of orange lanyards is needed, and you know what they say about the definition of insanity.

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Originally Posted by IFlyNFish (Post 2670424)

Clearly you’re a Troll so I’ll stop feeding.

I'm a troll because pointing out how poking your fingers in the eyes of management has failed to do anything for you? OK then, I'm a troll.

Mark,
It’s easy to sit back as an observer and throw stones. It’s much harder to actually do the homework. First, the union failed the pilot group. They did launch the lanyard campaign which really hit home but then they buckled and gave it away for nothing. Second, the union had no strategic vision. They didn’t lead from the front. There was no plan. I think they were asleep at the wheel or just plain negligent. Third, many in the pilot group couldn’t figure out that their actions, in validating a minimum staffing model, brought a ton of pain on the group. The negotiating committee....both for the contract and SLI had their collective heads up their a88es. So, being a simple-minded troll and saying the lanyards has no purpose is idiotic. They do have a unification purpose and were doing great. The union, which was grossly negligent let us all down. Thanks CN and SH! And this apathetic lazy pilot group let them get away with it.

So what happened yesterday that is detrimental to our careers?

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Originally Posted by MarkThyme (Post 2670227)

So what you're saying here is that the orange lanyards with the "This merger won't fly without pilots" slogan worked brilliantly, because the merger happened anyway, even without pilot group support, and now base chief pilots are dropping like flies. But surely, new orange lanyards with a new slogan will work next time for sure. They'll know you really mean business this time.

My original argument stands.

You want a contract with all that stuff you're wishing for? You're going to have to go scorched earth. You're going to have to be willing to go four years beyond the amendable date - no arbitration - so that nobody wants to apply until a contract gets done. Pilots need to leave in droves, not a few here and a few there. Recruiters at job fairs need to be left waiting for anybody to come talk to them. New-hire classes need a no-show rate of 50% or more. You need to get to the point where the only pilots they can hire are the ones who can't get a job anywhere else, or end up washing out of training.

Do that, and then you will have their attention.

This sounds like a lot of work.

Don't you think it might be easier to settle for the first offer presented, and just live with the results?

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Originally Posted by Caveman (Post 2673987)

This sounds like a lot of work.

Don't you think it might be easier to settle for the first offer presented, and just live with the results?

😂😂😂 Well put.

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Originally Posted by av8or (Post 2674007)

😂😂😂 Well put.

Zero sarcasm + enter.......

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Originally Posted by Pogey Bait (Post 2674037)

Zero sarcasm + enter.......

I was being serious.