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Old 11-02-2018, 09:14 PM
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From the Seattle Times:

November 2, 2018 at 9:26 pm
Former Alaska Airlines pilot sues airline, contending he was wrongly fired amid false rape claims
The pilot claims the co-pilot made up the rape allegation to avoid being fired. Updated 9:46 pm

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...e-rape-claims/
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:52 PM
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:09 AM
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From the Seattle Times:

November 2, 2018 at 9:26 pm
Former Alaska Airlines pilot sues airline, contending he was wrongly fired amid false rape claims
The pilot claims the co-pilot made up the rape allegation to avoid being fired. Updated 9:46 pm

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...e-rape-claims/
Just reading through your previous judgements and assertions on this case, I'm genuinely curious as to why you, of all people, would have posted this(?).

Among many other 'assumptions', some of which of you described as potentially criminal (Quote "The woman is waving the flag to excuse behavior that - if not criminal - is at least reprehensible), this:

Quote: "And seriously, best case scenario that a sixty-four year old married supervisor plied someone a quarter of a century younger than him with booze and she wound up in bed with him is NOT going to sit well with the jury."

Hmmm, your attached Seattle Times article lists FO Pina as a 40 year old and Capt Engelian as 51, I'm no math whiz, but that's hardly a quarter century.

Pesky facts and inconvenient truths have a nasty tendency to ruin a great story! I'll withhold judgment till the dust settles. In the interest of preserving your credibility, I'd recommend you do the same.

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Old 11-03-2018, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dawgdriver View Post

Just reading through your previous judgements and assertions on this case, I'm genuinely curious as to why you, of all people, would have posted this(?).

Among many other 'assumptions', some of which of you described as potentially criminal (Quote "The woman is waving the flag to excuse behavior that - if not criminal - is at least reprehensible), this:

Quote: "And seriously, best case scenario that a sixty-four year old married supervisor plied someone a quarter of a century younger than him with booze and she wound up in bed with him is NOT going to sit well with the jury."

Hmmm, your attached Seattle Times article lists FO Pina as a 40 year old and Capt Engelian as 51, I'm no math whiz, but that's hardly a quarter century.

Pesky facts and inconvenient truths have a nasty tendency to ruin a great story! I'll withhold judgment till the dust settles. In the interest of preserving your credibility, I'd recommend you do the same.
The comments quoted were early on when the identity of the accused was not even known and when the claim being made was of a long career ar Alaska tacked on to a 20 year Air Force career, not a 20 year Reserve career running currently with a career at Alaska - leading to an erroneous assessment of the man's age. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

What I have now posted was THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY and it was posted without editorial comment. It makes it a whole lot easier to assess a situation when BOTH sides tell their story.
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Her story never made sense from the beginning, this should be an easy settlement for Englenian.
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:35 PM
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Has anyone seen the actual case that was filed by Paul’s lawyer? Besides Betty Pena and Alaska Air who are the others listed?
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Has anyone seen the actual case that was filed by Paul’s lawyer? Besides Betty Pena and Alaska Air who are the others listed?
The document is linked in the Seattle Times article.
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Avoidance is the key.
Thanks to Betty Pina we are all at risk of losing a sense of camaraderie and a valuable support group outside the flight deck.
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Originally Posted by GaleHrd View Post
Thanks to Betty Pina we are all at risk of losing a sense of camaraderie and a valuable support group outside the flight deck.
Though she certainly didn't help, she's not the first and actions such as hers have ensured safe, sterile, distant behavior in the workplace for the foreseeable future. Hypersensitive and over-reactive HR departments make it a habit to discipline employees for casual conversation/opinions that snowflakes find offensive or objectionable. Sad (and boring) but true, but who needs it? Not worth the risk in today's #Guilty till proven innocent environment. Keep it PC; strictly business.

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Originally Posted by dawgdriver View Post
Though she certainly didn't help, she's not the first and actions such as hers have ensured safe, sterile, distant behavior in the workplace for the foreseeable future. Hypersensitive and over-reactive HR departments make it a habit to discipline employees for casual conversation/opinions that snowflakes find offensive or objectionable. Sad (and boring) but true, but who needs it? Not worth the risk in today's #Guilty till proven innocent environment. Keep it PC; strictly business.

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Yup. As sad as it is that’s exactly the philosophy I subscribe to anymore. Go to work.....collect paycheck with minimum drama.
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