AS will get scope...on the company's terms. In return for that, the AS pilot group will be forced to accept less in Contract 2020...which is going to be a process that will make the 2016-2017 process look like a Kindergarten sing-a-long.

screw that we have nothing to give! The old guard is on their way out of this pilot group. We will fight, and get a good contract including scope, or burn this place to ground trying. Time for B&B to pay!!!

Just say no! Wtf?!

I agree! And I hope that they do, because the pilot group deserves it. All I'm saying is that they've (AAG) have won on the scope issue time and time and time again. Even the arbitrators punted on it which only further sets precedence that creates an uphill battle on the issue for the pilots. Because the contract literally has zero scope language it only benefits the company to keep it that way. If they're going to give in on scope, they're going to want something else in return. It's reality.

That's how B&B play. No, they want their cake and to eat it too.

First they'll approach QX pilots with another Commit to Compete plan to "give" QX E190-E2s. No doubt purchased or leased from OO.

Next they'll use it to twist ALK pilot's arms during negotiations, so you'll get your scope but they'll count on the QX E2 thing to panic the ALK pilot group and cave on virtually everything else.

Then, whatever additional costs are incurred by your contract improvements they'll offset with skywest flying.

If only they used that acumen to actually run the airline day-to-day.

They don't want the E190-E2, they want the E175-E2, and Skywest does have orders for those that they currently cannot take delivery of unless Delta/United relax their scope on weight limit. The E175-E2 said it would be ready for delivery in 3 years.

Same result, only I added a few extra frame sections 😁

That's beyond the ALK negotiations horizon then, I wonder if they'll just stall negotiations until the threat is eminent.

I’d be pretty surprised if there is a new contract to vote on in anything less than 5 years. Look at what happened at Frontier, currently no motivation exists for Alaska management to negotiate in good faith when the current contract lags the industry in almost every facet.

2 to 3 years past your amendable date is pretty much standard operating procedure for the Anglers.

arbitrators were never going to give scope as they don't want to limit a company's business plan, but it does not set any kind of precedence for negotiating scope. AAG has always won on scope because this pilot group was WEAK. That has to change. There is zero reason we can achieve scope, and a quality contract. If we fail it's our fault and no one else.