Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Put another way, I'm a reserve guys and will be for a loong^2 time. How do you think it'd feel if some guy came on here and said I'm not on reserve, I'll never be on reserve, so I don't want one penny going on reserve improvements and put that towards increasing my 12th yr payrate even more. So far I haven't seen anyone write that publicly. Yet here and on Alyeska, there are VX guys calling for removing pensions going forward. Since you're on the topic of pensions is it fair to assume an industry standard contract looks at it section by section? Our DC retirement is 15.5%. Today AA/DL/UA get 16%. HAL, JBLU, and SWA are 15%. 15.5% seems to be industry average today.

Originally Posted by KnockKnock

If you’re not going to stand up for their pension, why should they stand up for our scope? Why should they worry themselves with section 25? They won’t be the ones to feel the effects of the ever growing outsourcing. Most of them will be long retired when the first 190’s “operated by Skywest”, start parking at our gates. So why should they give it a second thought? Most of them are already near the top of the list and get much better schedules than most of us so why would they ask to sacrifice negotiating capital on anything other than pension strength and pay increases. I live in base, commuter friendly lines are not necessarily my immediate concern. Should I not bother standing up for better schedules and commutability? If this is going to devolve into divided groups throwing each other under the bus, we may as well just sign a contract extension right now. Sadly, this thread is proof that managements propaganda is working all too well. We’ve already reached the “every man for himself” stage and negotiations just opened this week.... I was told that VX brought over 800 guys ready to fight for better?!?!

Originally Posted by Fit4Doody

For what it’s worth the only regional out there that would be allowed to operate 190s is Horizon. Skywest can’t fly anything over 76 seats /85K GTOW due to scope restrictions for competing carriers (ie can’t fly 190s for AS if they’re doing business for DAL/UA/AA et al.

Originally Posted by Fit4Doody

For what it’s worth the only regional out there that would be allowed to operate 190s is Horizon. Skywest can’t fly anything over 76 seats /85K GTOW due to scope restrictions for competing carriers (ie can’t fly 190s for AS if they’re doing business for DAL/UA/AA et al.

Originally Posted by KnockKnock

I’ve heard that. Replace Skywest with any regional operator or code share partner out there. For one thing, I don’t want to rely on other companies scope language to prevent AS from outsourcing my job. We need our own protections. My point is that if we as a group start breaking off and only standing up for what immediately affects us as individuals we are a lost cause and this contract will look like the last 40. It’s only been 2 weeks since openers started and pilots are already showing individualism. So much for “Unity 2020”, that lasted long... None of us have absolutely identical needs from a contract. Commuters vs. non-commuters, those about to retire vs. new hires, those with chronic illness vs. extremely healthy etc. etc. We might not like some of the “sacrifices” we have to make in order to gain a well rounded contract that the whole group can benefit from but if we don’t make them, we’re doomed to another subpar cba that nobody likes.

Originally Posted by Baradium

Just for clarification purposes, they can operate 190s, but they cannot be on any routes where they compete with us directly (DL). With the uptick in SEA departures for DL, that does have the same effect though.

Originally Posted by Big E 757

I don’t think this is correct. If Skywest bought E190’s or the CSeries, cannibus, and flew them for United, on any route, Delta would have to drop Skywest from their network. That’s my understanding of our RJ scope language.

Originally Posted by Big E 757

I don’t think this is correct. If Skywest bought E190’s or the CSeries, cannibus, and flew them for United, on any route, Delta would have to drop Skywest from their network. That’s my understanding of our RJ scope language.