That occupation by a foreign army wasn’t the circumstance at the time. America wasn’t a nation yet. It was the colonizing army with which the colonial subjects decided had to go. It wasn’t a foreign rule interjecting their policy, it was the only rule they had known up to that point. Violent “protest” was the best and only option then. Assuming we’re both talking about the revolution. But this is a tangent.

Back to your previous response.

An open and constructive conversation this ain’t. There won’t be any advancement in the understanding of the BLM movement through a thread started purely to mock the fact that our CEO put out an email in favor of inclusiveness. Differing opinions are an important aspect of understanding. However, none of the people who seem angry about it can articulate WHY or HOW they are so negatively affected. They just barf out the same talking points about how angry the people who look towards change make them. This is a thinly veiled political post. There have already been rants about “liberals”. How is this not political and why is it not shut down?

There’s absolutely no mockery of facts or anyone. That is your own perception of the OP. You’ve also been given a valid reason why it’s important to hear everyone’s opinion.

It was a civil war, as far as loyalist vs. patriot goes. But read up on Salutary Neglect. The colonies were left to their own devices for a very long time, until the crown suddenly decided to squeeze them for revenue. When they pushed back on that they got 30,000 (non-Englsih speaking) Hessians landed on their shores. It certainly would have felt like a foriegn invasion, even the loyalists weren't happy about that.


The partisan commentary was deleted before you posted this.

Still hoping to hear some perspectives on BLM issues. From someone with actual experience, not some woke caucasian who wants to tell me how angry they are about things they've never experienced personally.

Well if you have to edit and censor the conversation into an acceptable one, it’s not really productive is it? You can’t cut and paste everyone’s opinions until they fit your views and then claim to glean perspective.

Not sure if the “woke Caucasian” comment is meant for me or a general statement, but if for me, I don’t claim to be “woke”. That’s why I said I leave the issues of what’s harmful to those harmed. I don’t know what’s offensive to others until they tell me so and I have no leg to stand on to tell them otherwise. Can you rightfully say (since it was brought up) that the “redskins” moniker isn’t offensive to Native Americans if you’re not Native and you haven’t walked in those shoes? For those non Natives saying it’s harmless, it’s because it’s harmless to them. It doesn’t affect them one bit. It’s just a name of a football team. I have had Native friends petition against it so I take their word for it that it’s offensive to them. Same goes for BLM. No non black Americans can rightfully say what it means to the black community. They haven’t lived that life. I don’t try and figure out what’s harmful to others, I let them tell me and I change my behavior accordingly. It does me no harm whatsoever if the Dixie Chicks change their band name or Washington changes the name of the team. It’s still gonna be garbage music and they’re still gonna be a **itty football team.

It was also mentioned above that people shouldn’t care about the name of the team since it was designed by a Native American. Those same people saying that, went to pieces over Kaepernik taking a knee even though that form of protest was “designed” by a veteran. Some of my right leaning friends seem even more distressed about players taking a knee during the anthem because it’s disrespectful to those who serve, than they do the fact that Russia has been found to pay bounties on American soldiers heads..... how’s that for irony.

You gave no such reason. You simply said your OP is open to interpretation. I asked for clarification otherwise it may be misinterpreted. Are you saying your OP has been misinterpreted? Again I ask if your OP is in favor of or against BLM? Straight talk right?

Was there an issue with the culture 6 months ago? Or even last year when every airline was hiring? Was there any notable discrimination going on? It doesn’t really matter what my position is. Anyone with two eyes can see what’s going on here.

You know some people in LGBTQ community would take offense to your last line of “Straight talk right?”

The intent of the OP was for the purpose of careful consideration. Once again respectfully, interpret that as you will.

If someone in the LGBQ community told me that the phrase “straight talk” was offensive, I’d listen to them. Are you in the LGBQT community and are telling me this now? If so, thank you for enlightening me. I did not know this. See, I’m not woke but I can listen and adapt. I used it as a reference to your statement that your OP was a “straight forward” statement. If I’ve offended you. My apologies.

As I am sure we would all agree, history is a great teacher, if only we spend the time to listen and read what our forefathers taught us through their experiences.

From Martin Niemoller, an anti-communist and one-time supporter (turned disillusioned antagonist) of the then National Socialist German Workers' Party (what we commonly call the Nazi Party today), one of history's most instructive poems:

First, they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me


Has anyone looked at a vertical stabilizer lately? Cancel culture might make some folks feel good, however, when that cancel culture comes knocking at your front door, what then? Especially when it's not true!

Reasonable people can disagree, however, what is going on in America right now is not reasonable.

As a minority, I have met one (1) real racist in my life. I don't "check the box", I let my qualifications, not my 'status' speak for themselves. Where would we be as a pilot group if we acted like the people who are destroying Seattle, Portland, Chicago, etc., etc.? What made us so successful this time around? Division or unity?

There are no new accidents, there are no new problems. History is our guide. All the asnwers are there. Like I said earlier, we just need to be open to (re)learning that history.

Thanks for letting me speak, I hope I did not offend anyone, as this was not my intention.

:)

Zero offense taken, but “straightforward” is considered one word.

This quote used to hang above a doorway in my high school. I think it’s a powerful statement to not look the other way from issues that don’t directly affect us. It speaks to my point. The likeness’ used on a helmet or airplane or syrup bottle or album cover don’t affect me at all. I could just as easily turn my back to them and continue to live my life. If someone in the community whose likeness is used, explains it’s offensive and it continues a line of thinking born of a much more oppressive society, the least I can do is listen and try to adapt my perspective. The real magic happens when those things are changed and low and behold, I get to continue living my life just the same and the affected people get to live theirs!