NewGuy01

I actually feel like this is a fairly accurate representation of being at work these days


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Seneca Pilot

I don't work for a 121 airline. I am part 91. My flying has increased.

I don't care if anyone flies. If your reasoning for not flying is that you will be around people but you shop in stores, go to restaurants, and visit with friends and or relatives, flying doesn't add any risk to your life and you are being irrational. You can do those things in another location without it being any more dangerous than doing them in your hometown.

hydrostream

LoL! Too true...

All Bizniz

The body of water might not matter, but how frequently you choose to jump into that shark infested water and not expect to be attacked sure does.

Not sure if you're deliberately distorting my position, or just truly misunderstanding it, but I highlighted the main point​​​​​ of my argument (The risk is incremental.), and added the Edit for a reason. The increased risk determination for any set of risky activities, even if the risk level is the same for each, is a function of how frequently one engages in those activities.

As a matter of fact, if you take just one activity, going to say Home Depot as an example, then the guy/gal who goes there 4 times a week, is taking on more risk of contracting Covid, than someone who goes twice a week. (Yes it is low, but quantifiable none the less).

Increased frequency - increased probability - hence increased risk.

Its a risk/reward determination that each person/society has to make, and some things will be worth the risk, while others might not.

Seneca Pilot

Let's assume that a person goes to the grocery store once per week. And maybe to Home Depot once in that same week (remember the crapper is broke), and they go out to eat maybe twice. Now lets put them on vacation in a beach town nine hundred miles from home for the same week. They still go to the grocery store to stock up, no difference there. They go to the beach store to get little Jimmy a floatie. Since they don't have to go to Home depot because they don't have to fix the crapper at the rental, no difference there either. The beach is open air so same as going to the park. You'll still eat out some. You might be tempted to do that more than twice like you usually do at home but there's a pandemic so you just cook in the rental. No more risk there. The only thing you're doing that is out of the ordinary is being in another town and getting on a plane where masks are mandated and the air is changed every five or six minutes. Travelling does not carry more risk than living normally.

atooraya

OK now lets inject politics because that'll complete the trifecta. The government should mandate every household airfare to one destination. They MUST fly by 12/31/2021 or risk being fined. The airfare is tax deductible.

ElCaribe

Let’s bring religion into this too while we’re at it.

All Bizniz

Again, you're missing the point. We are not living normally. There is a risk of being infected everytime you step out of the "assumed" safe space of your house.

Conveniently, you're assuming there is a 1 to 1 exchange of the quantity and level of all the risk factors, between staying at home, and embarking on a vacation. I do not share that view. People will be getting out more, and letting their hair down because well, they're on vacation.

It's no coincidence that as the towns and cities open up more in an attempt to get back to normal, including vacation travel, there has been a predictable spike in the cases of infection.

Increased frequency - increased probability - hence increased risk - Borne out by spike in the number of infections.

Seneca Pilot

I may be missing your point but you are definitely missing mine. I am living my life exactly normally. I go to the store, restaurants, and on vacations. I will either have already been exposed to the virus or will be. There is no way to escape an airborne virus. It is coming for you unless you completely isolate yourself from society. Any measures you take to avoid the virus will only prolong the time until you inevitably are exposed.

You are being pretty arrogant and dismissive of people's intelligence if you believe that they can't act responsibly on vacation. I am not advocating that you should be drunk, dancing on tables, and rubbing up against strangers in a night club. I am saying that a family can take a vacation without measurably increasing their risk of catching a virus. Especially since that virus will, like all other airborne viruses, eventually make its way to you anyway.

Look around you, there are millions of people living their lives without dying. The treatment methods and drug protocols have improved so much as doctors have gained experience that a fat 74 year old who has never eaten a healthy meal in his life can now recover in days. This virus is not even close to the doom and gloom predictions from months ago but we seem to be acting as if they were true.

You can stay in the house and change your life if you want. I will be out enjoying life.

All Bizniz

Now you're conflating arguments.

I'm not saying people must stay locked up in their house and shouldn't try to live. Mask, social distancing, testing, and all the other tools in the Public Health tool box is intended to help us try and resume some semblance of normalcy once we've reached the appropriate baseline.

I get on with my life. Just had lunch at a restaurant with a buddy of mine today, and I've taken my family, 6 of us, on two trips already, including on an airplane. I'm cognizant of the increased risks, but comfortable that the consequences of being infected should be minimal for us, given our family history. It doesn't mean in the back of my mind, I'm not aware that things could actually go sideways, so that's where each of us have to figure out our own risk tolerance.

As far as your accusation of me being dismissive of people's intelligence about whether people can be trusted to be responsible on vacation - Please, get off your sanctimonious high horse. Lol

First, you don't understand human nature. I didn't say EVERYBODY on vacation is going to disregard the guideline. I've bought into the need for following the guidelines, and even I found myself slipping, and I've seen other people slipping too, on vacation.

Second, we've actually seen first hand college kids blatantly disregarding the guidelines with their stupid behavior.

And third, in general we know that there are some people who haven't bought into the public health guidelines related to Corona and its borne out by their actions.

​​So finally, I'm gonna say this one last time, because now we're beating a dead horse. You take on increased risk, when you take on increased activities. That is just statistics and probabilities. It's just Math.

I can lead a horse to water, but I can't force him to drink.