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tzskipper1 01-27-2023 08:52 AM

Other PS
 
Just curious, does DAL and/or the other peers include the previous year's PS payout when calculating the current PS amount? In this example, will PS money paid out in 2021 be included in the aggregate amount that the 2022 income will be based on?

Thanks in advance,

S

ShyGuy 01-27-2023 01:19 PM

So United is giving a a PS about 1.6%? How about AA? Delta?


Not one word of positivity from the 18%? You bet if AS announced 1.6% and United was 10.5%, there would be 10 pages now about how Alaska sucks. It’s okay to admit that some years, Alaska comes out ahead. In the good years, Delta got 16% while AS was about 5-10%. But 2020 everyone got 0 while AS paid out 4.98%. 2021 I think was about 6.5% while again most places were 0. 2022, AS is 10.5%. What’s everyone else getting? Not saying AS is perfect, just that legit good moments seem to be ignored on APC.

CordovaCA 01-27-2023 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3580553)
So United is giving a a PS about 1.6%? How about AA? Delta?


Not one word of positivity from the 18%? You bet if AS announced 1.6% and United was 10.5%, there would be 10 pages now about how Alaska sucks. It’s okay to admit that some years, Alaska comes out ahead. In the good years, Delta got 16% while AS was about 5-10%. But 2020 everyone got 0 while AS paid out 4.98%. 2021 I think was about 6.5% while again most places were 0. 2022, AS is 10.5%. What’s everyone else getting? Not saying AS is perfect, just that legit good moments seem to be ignored on APC.


Nailed it. Let's hope they're just self reflecting on their own realities(doubtful). Enjoy the industry leading pay and profit sharing! I am.

9mikemike 01-27-2023 02:19 PM

The best way to look at it is Deferred Compensation. Alaska holds back 6-8% of our compensation all year and the gives it to us in Feb…if the year was good. Most would rather have contractual compensation reflected by better rates etc all year. Saves the annual dog and pony show around this time of year when we usually get whats owed. For me, I give no consideration to PBP as it and all of its machinations fall well outside the scope of my job. Just my view of a program that exists outside of our contract. Would trade it for pay-rates, rig and effective scope today. Prob a good focus program for the rest of the company but not really appropriate for pilots, mechanics and dispatchers.

nene 01-27-2023 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by tzskipper1 (Post 3580375)
Just curious, does DAL and/or the other peers include the previous year's PS payout when calculating the current PS amount? In this example, will PS money paid out in 2021 be included in the aggregate amount that the 2022 income will be based on?

Thanks in advance,

S

DAL, yes. It is included in all your earnings calculations, ie for next years PS, for LTD calculations, etc

OTZeagle1 01-27-2023 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 3579981)
That stinks DAL retro for the last three years will get PS on it next year… I forgot though your friends at the big leagues eyes water when they see how much you make.

Most of my luck has been made by working very hard, a lot of that work came outside of aviation. Most of my friends don’t care what I make… None of my pilot friends are hurting, no matter where they work.
Yup, I heard Delta is paying a 10% bonus from now until the world ends to each pilot based the largest power bowl jackpot of each calendar year.🙄🙄🙄
The angry 30 just always has to complain, cry, and throw a tantrum. If we don’t snap up to the industry, which we most certainly will, a AS 12 year CA Average for the 2023 would be $309 plus our profit sharing. An honest person would recognize a compensated rate for the year of around $335. Not the losers on here though, basic math and being happy is impossible for this elite group🤔🙄😉

av8trup2late 01-27-2023 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3580610)
Most of my luck has been made by working very hard, a lot of that work came outside of aviation. Most of my friends don’t care what I make… None of my pilot friends are hurting, no matter where they work.
Yup, I heard Delta is paying a 10% bonus from now until the world ends to each pilot based the largest power bowl jackpot of each calendar year.🙄🙄🙄
The angry 30 just always has to complain, cry, and throw a tantrum. If we don’t snap up to the industry, which we most certainly will, a AS 12 year CA Average for the 2023 would be $309 plus our profit sharing. An honest person would recognize a compensated rate for the year of around $335. Not the losers on here though, basic math and being happy is impossible for this elite group🤔🙄😉

blah blah blah OTZ. where's the merger?

EskimoJet 01-27-2023 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by 9mikemike (Post 3580592)
The best way to look at it is Deferred Compensation. Alaska holds back 6-8% of our compensation all year and the gives it to us in Feb…if the year was good. Most would rather have contractual compensation reflected by better rates etc all year. Saves the annual dog and pony show around this time of year when we usually get whats owed. For me, I give no consideration to PBP as it and all of its machinations fall well outside the scope of my job. Just my view of a program that exists outside of our contract. Would trade it for pay-rates, rig and effective scope today. Prob a good focus program for the rest of the company but not really appropriate for pilots, mechanics and dispatchers.

that's not how any of this works. jesus. did you even go to college?

rickair7777 01-28-2023 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by 9mikemike (Post 3580592)
The best way to look at it is Deferred Compensation. Alaska holds back 6-8% of our compensation all year and the gives it to us in Feb…if the year was good. Most would rather have contractual compensation reflected by better rates etc all year. Saves the annual dog and pony show around this time of year when we usually get whats owed. For me, I give no consideration to PBP as it and all of its machinations fall well outside the scope of my job. Just my view of a program that exists outside of our contract. Would trade it for pay-rates, rig and effective scope today. Prob a good focus program for the rest of the company but not really appropriate for pilots, mechanics and dispatchers.

No it's an incentive program to keep everybody focused on success and doing their small part. Does it work? I honestly don't know. Every now and then I might catch myself hustling a little bit if I think it will make a difference for D0 or A14.

Every employer I've ever had offered some sort of bonus, but you only got it if either you or the company did good that year. Except the Navy. They just gave me medals.

nene 01-30-2023 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3580964)
Except the Navy. They just gave me medals.

Don't forget the ever elusive 96hr special lib chits!


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